ever so confussed

[jlf1970]

dont forget big johnies mk1 !! ****in minter . i dont know about all this rsoc business but from what ive read over the last few months they can kiss my A hole !! the only good thing to come out of me joining was getting Ruddys number ! and him introducing me to this site ! other than that rsoc aint done nowt for me ! i think its time you lot on here got organised proper and with the owner dave ! sort out our own club ! you do your own shows anyway and theres enough people on here to have a strong membership with monthly mag etc !

[FoMoCo]

The best weekend ever, then the sour taste of Sunday.
Have the tour on a different weekend to the cumbria rsoc day
next year.

There was no car in the same league as Gerards X, car of the day on Sunday and every show he takes it to, doesnt get any better.One piece
exhaust and a factory oil filter......maybe a couple of bits of fluff on the carpet a little bit of dirt on top of the leaf spring. ffs the owners club are only going to happy when there are only 6 cars in a corner judging each others cars.

Id like to know what the 18 was marked down on ? Beautiful car.
Gerard keep bringing the cars over because the people that really matter
gave you a first and car of the day.Even your wagon deserves a cup.


cheeRS Gary...

[Alan Cox]

Looking at the quality and originality of some of the cars (Gerards,Grums and Eddies cars to name a few) that were present on Sunday how can a modified cossy be remotely compared, let alone win.

A modified cossie didn't win. Mark McCubbins Sapphire cosworth won.



No bling, just a standard car.

If anyone wants to question the quality of his car, please bare in mind that it won the overall car of the show at the autoglym grand finals in 2006.

[topaz]

A modified cossie didn't win. Mark McCubbins Sapphire cosworth won.

No bling, just a standard car.

If anyone wants to question the quality of his car, please bare in mind that it won the overall car of the show at the autoglym grand finals in 2006.

Alan, that car is very much appreciated. It is stunning.

However, it shouldnt of been competing against 30+ year old cars in the first place.

Dont you agree?

[Alan Cox]

Last year there were a total of 13 different cars that entered in the 4 expert classes (trailered cars)

pre 81, (6 cars)
post 81 (non Cosworth) (4 cars)
post 91 (non Cosworth), (1 car)
Cosworth. (2 cars)


This year with them all in one class there have been 16 cars enter so far after only 3 shows ! !


Personally I like it as it means at least I have some competition rather than coming first and last at every show. So far this year I have had 3 second places.



Also note that modified non cosworth was between a mk2 rs2000 and a focus RS, and the Mk2 won, so it doesn't always go to the "whiz pop bang brigade"


Alan

[topaz]

I think that the club should concentrate on getting more and more cars out rather than try to 'put them all in one bucket'

There are PLENTY out there, entice them!

[thedman]

It would appear that there has been a "post Cumbria RSOC Commitee/Concourse" telephone conference last night, with one resignation!

[Alan Cox]

I think that the club should concentrate on getting more and more cars out rather than try to 'put them all in one bucket'

in 2006 there was 3 classes available for standard driven pre 81 cars
mk1 - 1 entry (Charlie C)
mk2 - 0 entrys
capri - 1 entry (Gareth B)


last year these were merged into one class, again only the same 2 cars entered in this class all year ! !

If it went back to as it was in 2006 with a class for just standard driven mk2's would any more people show ?

[Aaron P.]

well said Neil.....ive never seen how it works over in the uk but over here in ireland for our national day we are given a form when we enter the arena for were the cars are on show and its up to the participants that turn up on the day to have a say who wins what....to me thats very fair...one thing i remember is that Ger wins something every year .....fair play to you Ger... ..looking forward to seeing some of the cars in the flesh on the 22nd of june

[topaz]

in 2006 there was 3 classes available for standard driven pre 81 cars
mk1 - 1 entry (Charlie C)
mk2 - 0 entrys
capri - 1 entry (Gareth B)


last year these were merged into one class, again only the same 2 cars entered in this class all year ! !

If it went back to as it was in 2006 with a class for just standard driven mk2's would any more people show ?

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz.........

boring

bring back some fun!!!

extra points for cleaning your car in fancy dress

[topaz]

on a serious note, i dont know what the answer is Alan.

possibly split expert into pre81/post81 ?

respect originality

respect spare part sourcing/remanufacture

it needs thought, and sensible discussion

forcing ALL trailered cars into one class isnt the sharpest idea in the world, people trailer for a number of reasons, location, cleanliness or even the fact that their car is sh1t to drive (like frosty)

what we cant have is a focus competing with a mk2

i think ruddy should sort it

[ian parker]

I believe, ultimately, a "factory" car has to score more points over a "restored" car. If a, say MK2 has survived 25yrs + in its original state then that surely needs to be rewarded. Anybody, including myself can restore a car, again, in reality, thats not too dificult. To source a car llike Gers X, or Edds yellow one is extremely difficult. As i found, you can get yourself in a total mess regarding concours, been there done that. My hat comes off to Gerard for his continual enthusiam and support for the brand. The X surely has car of the car ????? and as Gary said. CAR OF THE YEAR. !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[FoMoCo]

If anyone wants to question the quality of his car, please bare in mind that it won the overall car of the show at the autoglym grand finals in 2006.

Dont think you could question the quality of marks car its a beautiful car,
we are questioning why
1,a freshly built mk2 RS1800 that the mk2 guys think is flawless didnt get placed, wasnt that dirty surely, its not been driven since its rebuild.
2,a series X mk2 RS2000 with 640 miles and some parts that the anoraks
havent seen before

[ian parker]

concourse will never be sorted out simply because there isn,t enough cars. IMO you need at least half a dozen car in each and every catagory to give everyone a fighting chance on a level playing field. Whats happening at the mo is that people are trying to satisfy other people with too few a cars. Its not going to happen. You will never ever satisfy everybody.

[Frosticles]

I think the reason is ALL of the fun has been taken out of Concours over the past say 10 years, Too much arguing, too much politics. There was a time in the mid 90's when it was actually fun to do concours with everyone having a laugh together. When I originally restored my Mexico I was going to go concours with it but then thought **** it, I want some fun.
People need to be entised back into showing, The classes need to be dead simple, The judges need to be pre chosen before a show.

Personally I would scrap concours altogether and have a show and shine on the day, Then you would see the masses return.