MOT had its day?

[jdrally]

https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/roadworthiness-testing-for-vehicles-of-historic-interest

[alancdavis]

Interesting read

[paul mex]

So will there be a lot of owners de-tuning there cars to save getting a MOT

Criterion 1
If a vehicle has a power to weight ratio of more than 15% in excess of its original design, unless such a modification took place before 1988.

[alancdavis]

Be some interesting chats with Plod and the ANPR system,, So I wont need Tax or MOT now ,,just insurance

[jdrally]

So will there be a lot of owners de-tuning there cars to save getting a MOT

Criterion 1
If a vehicle has a power to weight ratio of more than 15% in excess of its original design, unless such a modification took place before 1988.

Will be interesting on rallies. I see a lot of arguments coming

[l j shaw]

I see a lot of Q plates appearing if they start checking

[scoobydoo]

How can you prove when the modifications took place?

[l j shaw]

In my case it's easy as my RS2 has been well documented by previous owner, I've got photos build sheets etc etc
Some others may find it a bit harder ...as someone has said on another site ...cover up the reg and keep the bonnets closed on photos you post ...how well it will work we will have to wait and see

[jdrally]

Will they have rolling roads at MOT stations to check power.

[alancdavis]

Hope so ,,,cheaper than the normal ones

[Twistedkrank]

Copied this from the Retro Rides site, it goes over some of the main bits. VHI= vehicle of historic interest

"Apologies in advance for the long post, but this is my understanding…

UK – Current Rules
MOT – Pre 1960 cars are exempt.
Vehicle Excise Duty – Rolling 40 year exemption.

EU Directive
Proposed rolling 30 year MOT exemption for VHI, provided they are not substantially changed.
Currently clashes with UK, where there is no link between pre 1960 and substantially changed.
( Note: At this point we are still talking about MOT rules, not DVLA registration rules. )

UK - Future
Introduces new VHI class which will qualify for the new rolling 40 year MOT exemption.
But if your car is over 40 years old and not classed as a VHI, then it will need an MOT.
The way I read it, that includes all pre 1960 cars that do not quality for VHI too.

UK - VHI certification process
This is being introduced to establish how the new MOT rules should be applied to your car.

VHI - Substantial change criteria
There is now a difference between the new MOT rules and the existing DLVA registration rules.
The key point is that just because you fail one, it doesn’t mean you fail the other.

Criterion 1
This appears to be a bit “left field”, but it just eliminates your car from VHI.
So any ‘normal’ engine swap under the 8 point rule is fine, you just need an MOT forever.
I guess they want to check that the car can safely handle the increase in power.
( See previous 8hp Model Y example, but that is the rule as it stands. )

Criterion 2
This is where they now appear to divide cars into two different groups:
- Those with significant mods they already know about.
- Those with significant mods that they don’t know about.

The first group is pretty straight forward, if you have a Q plate, it means an MOT forever.
Also if you have a kit car or reconstructed classic on an age related plate, then MOT forever too.
( Regardless of how old your kit/classic car is. )

The second group is where they appear to be tightening their grip in a new way.
(– This is the bit where it has become a bit more than just about MOTs.)

As they state ”Radically altered vehicles should have registration plates with a “Q” prefix”
Obviously, if you actually had a Q plate then you would already be in the first “known” group above.

Therefore, it is this following statement that has the most significance in terms of the whole ‘self certification’ process…

”You need to check whether the vehicle has been substantially altered since 1988, checking against the criteria (in the guidance above). If it has been altered substantially a valid MOT certificate will continue to be required.”

As I read it, a valid MOT certificate will be required, because as soon as you know how many points you have under the VHI rules, you also know how many points you have under the “Radically altered vehicles” rules (which they have pointed out explicitly).

If your check reveals a full house of 14 points (everything on the DVLA 8 point list) you are VHI.
If your check reveals 8 or more, but less than 14, you are still Historic (if over 40 years old) but need an MOT.
If your check reveals less than 8 points, you need to tell the DVLA you have a ‘radically altered vehicle’.
At which point you lose your current registration and need to pass BIVA to get a new Q plate.

Note: At no point am I trying to tell anyone what they should or shouldn’t be doing.

But there have been a lot of question on this thread already, so I am just trying to clear things up a bit.
For example, Neil Davies, my understanding is that if your car is Historic and 8 point compliant, you are just required to get an MOT, but remain tax free.

As I believe your car can remain ‘Historic’ for the Vehicle Excise Duty exemption.
Even though it doesn’t meet the VHI standard to for MOT exemption purposes.
( But happy to be corrected as I’ve been going around in circles a bit with this. )

Right I now need to lie down for a bit, before having a cold beer to recover.

Hope that helps (assuming I’ve read it correctly), cheers, Paul."

[RS2000CUSTOM]

As an MOT Tester I wish they would let us know !

Or even consult with the UK's MOT Testers (we have a communication system in place so easy to have sent out a questionaire etc)

[katana]

As an MOT Tester I wish they would let us know !

Or even consult with the UK's MOT Testers (we have a communication system in place so easy to have sent out a questionaire etc)

What ! Use common sense - when does that ever apply to the Civil Service!

[Andyc]

As an MOT Tester I wish they would let us know !

Or even consult with the UK's MOT Testers (we have a communication system in place so easy to have sent out a questionaire etc)

you don't need to know DAVE

[paul mex]

As an MOT Tester I wish they would let us know !

Or even consult with the UK's MOT Testers (we have a communication system in place so easy to have sent out a questionaire etc)

We only test them Dave it's not our job to tell them if they need a test ?
Must admit we will lose a lot of trade as our garage/myself has a good 25year+ history with returning classic car testing.
Saying that we still test many pre 60 cars even now due to owner clubs and insurance requesting one even tho it's not a legal requirement !
I still annually test a 1911 model T and would miss it greatly and its colourful owner