RSOC and MKII RS Escort Club and Registrars !

[bigjohnie]

we were having a discussion on the rsoc on the scottish site and i would like to hear the thoughts of the members on here, i joined in 1987,but i am no longer a member as i thought that they did nothing to help with the sourcing of parts for the older cars,which after all were the cars that first started the club off.i also noticed that the input from the mk2 register was very poor also,compared with the capri one who had a lot less to work with i.e( they only made 250 rs3100 with a hundred going to australia,)when you look at much smaller clubs who have put together some sourcing or re manufacture of parts ...i.e this very club , A.V.O. and sporting escort clubs,i sort of think they have let the older cars down








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[ders]

here here big man.

for years rallye news has been a waste of time also...unless you own a turbo/cossie of course.
Having said that i have met many good friends through it so it aint that bad.

cheeRS Ders.

[garthbtp]

I Couldn't agree more lads, I sometimes wonder why i keep shelling out for my subscription. I too have met some top people by being in the club also but the club comes across now as so money orientated. All they ever talk about is parts remanufacture where are the parts?

Cheers Garth

[Frosticles]

Re-joined the club 2 years ago after a 10 year gap caused by dissolusion cause I didn't own a Turbo?Cossie. Still feel the same but will keep my membership going

[GAZ W]

i have also met some very good friends through the RSOC , but you do seem to get very litlle for the money

[Trickster]

But the smaller clubs only deal with that model where as the RSOC deals with all RS models i dont like the Turbo stuff that seems to fill the pages of Rallye news but as u said our model started it so lets keep going and get the bits made.

[RS2000CUSTOM]

What are the answers to the situation then ?

[Trickster]

This BB is a good answer Dave and very well run mate,we all have the same interest and thats what is needed i think :cheers:

[ders]

What are the answers to the situation then ?

Develop this club further as it has everything i want from the rsoc and more.

I like the way this club accepts ANY rs cars be it standard or modified. None of this crap that if its not standard and original then it gets slated at the shows.
I like to see concours cars and working/track cars. Any mk2 does it for me!

Rsoc nat day gets worse by the year..lack of mk2 cars..wonder why???

Bruntingthorpe will be the NAT DAY for me this year by a mile.

cheeRS Ders.

[RS2000CUSTOM]

I see 3 main areas beginning to take shape

1. RSOC

2. RS MKII ESCORT CLUB

3. My RS Escort BB

At the end of the day people will gather at the area that caters for their own particular need.

Any ideas how to improve this BB please PM me if you do not want to "suggest" in public :blackeye:

[lathamescortmk2]

good site the way it is mate, no shite like whats normally posted on most forums, apart from the occasional tiff (well of late anyways!)

hats off to ya mate for doing a great job modding!

[Trickster]

Dave u need to start a whole new club u run the BB and it works mate and im sure u could run a club with some help as u cant be expected to do it all

[ders]

Dave - will have a chat on saturday night over some beer :drunken:

cheeRS Ders.

[RS2000CUSTOM]

Dave - will have a chat on saturday night over some beer :drunken:

cheeRS Ders.

Hubble , Bubble, Toil and Trouble !

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[ders]

Lol - i am sure thats the ex wife in that pic :cheers:

cheeRS Ders.

[Judge_Fudge]

Pretty disillusioned with RSOC myself too.
Not wanting to point fingers but this year I can't be arsed with it all and next year i'll probably drop out and not renew my membership.

Rarely bother with the rsoc bb nowadays either.. whats the point when this ones 100% better.

[AB Mexico]

I have recently re-joined the RS Owners Club and with the greatest respect to owners of later RS's I was dissapointed having now received two copies and found little coverage of anything other than Cosworths and Focus's.

I guess as time goes by the emphasis has shifted towards the newer RS models and because they are in the majority the editors of Rallye News tailor the content of the mag accordingly.

I then looked elsewhere and found the RS MKII Escort Club via a web search and I think the BB is spot on mainly because it's specific to MK 2's. All sub-headings on the BB very useful.

This Club and BB on first impressions seems to provide what the members require and is a credit to those who set it up and maintain it! Keep up the good work.

[xpack]

i am a member of both clubs concerned and in my opinion theres nowt wrong with the rsoc. i get a very good insurance cover which covers me on rsoc organised track days of which i try to do at least 4 a year inc both days at nat day. if you want to see morein the rally news about old skool get some articles sent in about your cars and hopefully james will print them, afterall if pen is,nt put to paper he can,t print it. i know what yoursaying about the registars but if anybody else wants to have a go get down to the agm and have ago i know i would,nt like the job as it is a thankless task trying to keep everybody happy.
dave you do a excellent job on here mate keep up the good work, you would make a bloody good registrar? :cheers:

[PHIL TEEAR]

l to got disillusioned with the RSOC and than why l along other enthusiasts, (seven of in total) sent up the RS MKII Escort Club, we do'nt always get it write and some time do'nt deliver on time, but l live,sleep and what ever for the club and has xpack said it a thankless task, but we do it

CheeRS Phil :cheers:

[paul spence]

you going to the A.G.M Custom?

[RS2000CUSTOM]

If this keeps on I may have to ! - lol :cat:

[bigjohnie]

phil this club is what the mk2 boys need and i know its sometimes unrewarding job but keep going ,its good for technical things ,getting parts(i still need a spare wheel strap anyone)

[Tim]

here u go johnie
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=27377&item=4563330052&rd=1

[bigjohnie]

many thanks rallslag,im on it mate.

[Trickster]

Are u bidding on that bigjohnie as i want one and there is no point pumping the price up if u are after it i will leave it to u and find another one.

[Dave1800BDA]

As one of the MK2 registrars I find it difficult to put any input into the mag as alot of 1800 owners do not wish for there cars to be known, why? I dont know,Len (RS3100) does a fantastic job and all his members support him 100%. I have included guides and other articles in the past but I find myself repeating items that might not interest older members. I wonder how many us that have sent in articles that are members. Its a difficult shout...hands up who could fulfil these difficult positions within the club.
If you are against our positions the agm is the place to be and positions are always up for grabs.
I wrote to 40 RS1800 owners to display their cars at the MK2 national day and the RS Owners Clubs National Day of which one said yes to the MK2 day and 7 to the RS Nat Day... I must be doing something wrong?
your thoughts to improve a service grately received.
Cheers Dave.

[lee bishop]

i agree with what everyone has said so far, i too am an RSOC member, and feel there is little content there for me, i am also an SEOC member which i have enjoyed so far this year, with natter nights, and the national day, next year i will not rejoin RSOC, and join this club instead, totally caters to what i like, this BB is also great, i would like to shake your hand on saturday dave custom, but i feel you may be too busy flipping burgers to oblige.........

[bigjohnie]

trickster, very noble of you mate,i have a beer ready for you on saturday night,i have been advised the strap is of no use to rs2000 though as its shorter you learn something new everyday.dave the debate on the rsoc was indeed no critisism of your self it was only an open debate to gauge EVERYONES feelings and i dont think the rs1800 reg affects very many of us on here.although personally we all wish it would.

[arron]

Cor blimey, this is a good-un....

Point 1. The RSOC. I've been a member for almost 20 years now with a short break about 7 years ago. Of course the club will move 'with the times', it's only natural. If I look back through my old copies of RN from the early 80's, there is enough MKI and MKII stuff in them to make you all salivate. The more recent copies of RN have just reflected the RS marque as it has moved forward with the times. Maybe there is some criticism to be levelled at the RSOC here for not remembering it's roots but have a closer look through the last 6 or so issues and you will notice a definite increase in Old Skool content - so it would seem to me that the RSOC has responded to comments.

Point 2. RSOC National Day. Those who say that the RSOC National Day is no good need to think hard and qualify that statement. The RSOC is what it says it is - Rallye Sport Owners Club - i.e. it has to cater for all. Show me another club with the muscle to organise a two day event with 25 year celebrations, famous drivers in original cars etc. etc. etc.....

Point 3. Magazine/Newsletter content. I'm thinking about one particular comment regarding reliance upon memebers for content in RN. Yes, having articles submitted from members is good but should not be a pre-requisite for a good magazine. It is the club's responsibility (be it RSOC or MKII) to provide good content to give the members a good read - it should not be reliant upon member input - that's just passing the buck !

Point 4. Why do some people seem to view this BBS and the MKII Club as separate things - they shouldn't be. As I understnad it, Dave runs, pays and administers this site which in part is wrong - the club at least should pay for it and take proper ownership of it if it is to bear the club's name etc. This may be a little presumptious in respect of Dave's involvement but, and correct me if I'm wrong Dave, you are the club's BBS and web administrator ?

OK - it's not a simple answer to the original post question, there is no black and white, only shades of grey. It's a shame that Phil felt that dissilusioned with the RSOC in the first place that he saw the need to set up this club but I simply can't sit here and make a sweeping statement that one is good and the other not - both have issues, it's up to the individual committies to straighten out members concerns and I believe the RSOC are addressing the Old Skool issues.

Rant over......looking forward to Saturday night !

[RS2000CUSTOM]

OK here goes - lol

How can a 6 times a year (RSOC) or once a millenium (RS MKII Escort) magazine compete with a 24/7 365 days a year website ?

They never will !

Ask a tech question on website, answer within minutes

Ask a tech question in ANY mag, answer if you lucky !

Send an article online = instant

Send a mag article = maybe next issue who knows ?

OK - thats the easy answer out the way

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Now for the RSOC Registrars

We all expect our own car type to have a pro-active registrar - agreed :cheers:

Now dealing purely with MKII RS's

Dave1800BDA - at least enters something into Rallye News every now and again - :cheers:

John Hughes - Not much lately but has he been busy ?

I hear John has started a new job so maybe not the time to spend on MKII's

MKII Club - Phil Teear - (stop laughing at the back) Club has now reached a pivotal point in its existence

Phil - it is obvious you cannot cope with all that the club and its members require - just take a look at my e-mail inbox !

My suggestions :

ps. Dont worry it is your club and always will be !


1. Give the membership account to someone who can cope

2. Magazine - again pass it on to someone who can cope (and maybe they will be able to spell as well :geek: )

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As for me becoming MKII RS2000 and Mexico Registrar

I am willing to "have a go" but surely the Mexico deserves its own registrar ?

I cannot tell you the correct colour of a nut or bolt or clip on a MKII

BUT

I can give helpfull information to preserve the Marque and keep RS's going !!

If enough people show their support then at 2005 RSOC AGM I may just allow myself to be put forward for registrars postion

John Hughes is still the registrar and respect to his contribution in such a thankless task and who knows he may wish to continue in the role ?

As mentioned before - you only get out what you put in !

[pushrod]

It's strange to hear many people feel put out by by the mags preference to newer more expensive faster cars. Maybe they will remember this feeling of being put on the sidelines the next time they say a Harrier is ONLY a 1600 Sport with fancy stripes.

People get carried away by the RS prefix. Any MKI or II is a bloody rare sight and if people love them and want to preserve them then it must be to the greater good to have all MKI and II included.

Even a chopped up 1.3 Ghia bloody automatic !

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[arron]

Dave,

Some good points - make no mistake, I personally think you do a great job with this site.

Do remember though that the RSOC site has a technical forum of it's own - it has the same facility as this site so no-one is reliant upon waiting for magazines etc. The only difference is that no bugger uses it - why is that I wonder.

I'll give you a vote for MKII Reg and I agree with the separate Mexico reg comment.

Still not sure about 'you only get what you put in' - I am still adamant that it is the club's responsibility to provide for the members.

Phil, the offer to take care of membership is still open my friend.

[RS2000CUSTOM]

Also meant to add !

Because I run an efficient BB website would this make me a good registrar ?

Not saying I wouldnt

BUT

Why would anyone on here or in the RSOC want me as a registrar ?

[bigjohnie]

bloody hell ,i was only looking for parts for my mk11,.i didnt realise this website and the rs mk11 club werent the same thing we are a bit behind up here in scotland.

[arron]

Why would anyone on here or in the RSOC want me as a registrar ?

Because I think YOU would be proactive in your approach to how the RSOC deals with MKII cars. You have demonstrated that ability on this site.

[Tim]

u cant compare the rsoc and here becuase this is more specific to mk2 rs not all rs, this site has been great 2 me for info but am not a member YET and like dave said u get out wat u put in

[vinny]

i think that everyone has put some very valid points forward , i was a member of the rsoc in my 16i days and a member of the avo club in my mk1 days.
It is only natural that the club will progress with new younger members who come into it whose main interest is the stuff that they dreamed about when they were younger, just like us with the older stuff when we were there age.
The registras job in what ever model is always a hard job to fill and we should at least give them credit for trying to fill a thankless task (not that we are knocking anyone) and i feel that is is partly up the the members as to there contribution as to what goes in the mags.
I think most of us are more than happy to come here for our old school fix and as dave says, where else do you get the same level of techical help etc.
I think we all agree dave has done a great job of the site and long may it continue :cheers:
Maybe the mk2 club will be the way forward with more planning and organisation - i wonder what the members numbers are now ?
Perhaps phil would like some help with the club or more input etc ?.

This is a good thread to gather peoples thoughts and hopefully take them to the rsoc or maybe help phil with ideas for the mk2 club

[RS2000CUSTOM]

I run this site in the MKII RS Escort Club's name only

I own the url www.rsmk11escortclub.co.uk but will pass DNS certificate to Phil Teear f.o.c. should it ever be asked for !

I receive nor do I request any financial contribution towards the BB

Webspace and bandwidth at the moment is provided to me by a friend of mine

At this time the BB occupies 80 mb and requires 10 mb of free space to operate

btw : Dont forget Topaz provides free picture uploader and hosting to all :cheers:

Hope this helps ?

[Tim]

i know the guys who run old skool ford and all the crap hes goes through so i think u have done a great job here dave along wit settin ur own company aswell

[raybs]

Thought I would add my two peneth.

I have also been a long time member of the RSOC, 19 years I think. I servered on the Committee for 8 years as Tresurer. I have not been an active member of the RSOC for a number of years, but I have always supported it whenever possible and the large amount of people I have met during my involvment, the fun I had in helping Graham John organise the early Donington National Days and the support I recieved, has more than justified the membership fees.

I guess you just have to ask yourself if you feel the same way ... does/has your RSOC membership paid for itself over the year/s?

I agree with most of the comments above. The RSOC has to cater to a wide variety of models and the weight of interest will always be with the majority, so therefore the Turbos and Cossies will dominate just by sheer numbers. I feel the Club dropped the ball in a serious way when their BB was off line for so long and I have always been dissapointed by the fact that re-manufacture of part was never seriously attempted by the club even after the money was less of an issue following some successful National Days.

I have , for some time been amazed at how the RS scene has not created large numbers of small clubs, you only have to look at the number of Capri and Granada clubs to see how it could have gone.

It was enevitable that there would be smaller clubs setup to cater for the older models. When Phil told me he was setting up the MK2 RS Club, I thought he was mad and it would never last. He has proved me wrong and he had the foresight to build a club that caters for the most popular Old Skool RS's. Long may it continue and grow, but he wil need help, as has been mentioned.

On the Registrar front, I salute anyone who takes on such a role, it can be thankless. However, I think the popularity of BB such as this one have effectivly taken over from the traditional Registrar role of supplying Technical support and a general forum to chat about your favorite car.

This BB is very well run by Dave and it is responcible for the growth of the Mk2 RS Club in no small way. Keep up the good work.

CheeRS, Ian

[PHIL TEEAR]

l totaly agree with Ian(raybs) l hope to build the club to the size of the AVO club, thats my aim. l know at this stage we need to pull our sock up a bit with some issues, but in general l think we the organiser of the club and that includes dave who's the web-site manager do a good job. In my eyes the only job that needs looking at is getting the members newletter
'Opposite lock' out on time, every quarter that four times a year and we struggle every time, mainly because of input and getting it put together, my be it time it was handed over fully to the sub editor so it take some pressure of me. And to back up whats be said, yes dave does a great job with the BB site

CheeRS Phil (club organiser) :cheers: