a RESULT for Dave ;)

[Doh]

Congrats m8, just looked at the Log Book form in the new RN and the new rule is

Under no circumstances can Working Class cars be trailored to any regional day.

but i take it still the ND :(

[RS2000CUSTOM]

I must put the record straight !!

My gripe is NOT trailers as nobody has trailered for the last 2 years (and possibly never have) in Pre 81 Working Class !

My gripe is WHAT CONSTITUTES "WORKING CLASS" ?

My definition of Working Class is a car that is used more than JUST to travel to and from RS regional / National Day shows, Classic Cars Show displays and the odd run out etc

Having read the article in Rallye News how is anyone in their right mind going to put their "USED" RS2000 MKII up against OEC in WORKING CLASS ?

If what Karl has done is what is required to compete in WORKING CLASS then there must be another category added to cater for people who USE their cars on a daily basis or shall we at least say frequently !

Most of the way through the article (and I must add so did Classic Ford !) it states the car competed and won all the shows it entered in CONCOURS,
it DID NOT it won whilst showing in WORKING CLASS.


OEC is good enough to win CONCOURS - put it in the class it deserves to win !

Comment please !!

[Mex 1t]

:wink: shame thou only his feet are to be seen hanging out of the Ganse :wink:

nice clean car thou and well done Karl

did he upset the Ruddy thou ?

[Doh]

my apologies Dave, i got into my head somewhere that these guys were trailering there cars in working class :? :?

a agree with you m8, surely the simple answer would be to up the points on the miles so that peeps who use there car daily really rake those extra points in :)

[HANDSOMETRUCKER]

I USE MY CAR ALMOST EVERY DAY.ITS ON THE DRIVE NOW COVERED IN ROCK SALT.IN THE MORNING I WILL WASH IT DOWN,AND MAYBE IF I CAN BE BOTHERED I MIGHT WAX IT.THATS WHAT I CALL WORKING CLASS.ANY ONE CAN KEEP A CAR IN THE GARAGE.THEN DRIVE IT TO A SHOW AND WIN.NOT ME THOU....MINE WOULD WIN BEST SCRAPPER.LOL
ASTON

[RS2000CUSTOM]

Mr Trucker I would gladly lose to a "USED" car any day of the week.

My car is NOT worthy of winning I just enjoy taking part - but how can the RSOC encourage new blood into the sport of showing their cars when cars are allowed in totally the wrong class of competition ??

[HANDSOMETRUCKER]

I AGREE WITH YOU MR CUSTOM.I AM NOT SLATING YOU.WHAT I AM SAYING IS PEOPLE LIKE MYSELF WHO USE THERE CARS DAILY DONT STAND A CHANCE OF WINNING. :cry:

[RS2000CUSTOM]

The RSOC have got to wake up and realise what is going on !! BUT WILL THEY ?

All I want to see at shows is loads of MKII's but who is going to show when they are up against such stunning cars as OEC when OEC should be in Standard class ??

[HANDSOMETRUCKER]

ITS PUT ME OFF SHOWING MINE....... :(

[Doh]

agreed, i'm not slagging the owner of OEC of but its an easy win putting it in working class ;) from what i've seen it wouldn't stand a chance in "standard class" well thats if anyone turns up!!! and i aint even seen ricki's car yet, hopefully this year though :)

maybe if they win ND working class they should have to compete in standard next season?

[RUDDY]

MEXIT - you know it takes more than that to upset me , remember I know all the bodges that I did to get OEC finished in the first place ,it takes a lot to turn an 1100 Pop into an RS !! So I can't blame Karl for redoing the car now (11 years on)

Isn't Springtime great , the birds are mating , the lambs are jumping and the concours boys are arguing. To put everyone right , including 'Ford Heritage' who did the original article on OEC many years ago, I did show OEC in working class, never ever has the car been shown in full concours. It wouldn't have stood a chance against RUDIT and BCG who were still being shown at that time , along with YHH610T and MUT84.

Back to the present and there is a problem, OEC is without doubt the cleanest car in working class (at present !), but, and its a big but, no way is it clean enough to challenge for outright wins in Full Concours. To do this Karl would have to strip the underside and start painting again and then the car would probably become another garage ornament instead of supporting the shows as he does now, that then would be another one gone from the shows.

There can be very few people now who can hold their hands up and say that their mk2 is their only car, used everyday rain or shine, covering maybe 10k miles a year, I find it hard to believe most of the post 81 working class cars or even the working Cossies are used everyday.
Concours is a ball ache, I've done it from all side, showing, organising and judging and I would happily see the back of it and just have a weekends get together and a crack. We will never resolve working class, I judged at the first ND at Silverstone, we were told by the comittee if there were cars on show that wern't true concours cars we could have them removed from the arena. I opened the boot of a mk2 and lifted the carpet...I could see my feet through the holes in the floor !!!

Do we really want to fall out over a £2 trophy , are we MK2 boys not better than that ? Next year my new project will be out. It will be better than OEC (maybe), but I will be happy to take it to the shows , have a chat with Mexit , Dave , Karl and anyone who wishes to talk MK2's and if I don't go home with a trophy I won't give a s#*t, I have never kept any trophies that I won anyway !!

Feel free to comment about this post , but

[RS2000CUSTOM]

Hi Paul

Its good that you can take the time to add a mature and thorough answer to this question.

Unless I can be proven to otherwise a "Working Class" car has GOT to be used for reasons other than shows, press days, the odd ride out etc etc

There are other cars in W/C that DO NOT USE their car at all and Steve Minshall along with the RSOC have got to moniter "Off Season" mileage.
I personally have done near 1000 off season mileage and 4500 show mileage in 2002.

I do not expect track days to be everyones taste but again I have a go !

SKC will never win whilst I am cleaning it (lol lol) but all any new entrants see when looking at OEC is this - "I need £6000.00 to get near to that standard"

THIS IS NOT THE SPIRIT OF WORKING CLASS

[RUDDY]

Dave , did you say only £6000 , that means I've gone over budget by a couple of grand already and it aint even painted yet. Mind theres some tasty gear in the spare room..............no not the wife !!!
The things we do to win in working class eh.

[RS2000CUSTOM]

lol - nice one Paul

I am sure all that radiation you work with is effecting your ability to make rational decisions !! - lol

[bigjohnie]

thought i would have a wee say in this.i attended the very first show when the aberdeen group started "working class".back then it was to give boys whos rs was used but who strived to keep it on the road in nice condition a chance of some reward.after this i became disallusioned with the rs club when all the girlie bitching started.Paul i well remember a lot of us driving down just for run and a bit of friendly banter to your Cumbria group meetings.this and all the great camping weekends attending shows around the country every week.my wages used to all go on my car every week,but i have some great memories of helping friends getting the cars ready through the night just to attend shows .this is what the spirit of the club was about, a great big family.i was saddened when attending my first show in years at strathclyde park to hear" they wheels are not the right date stamp "etc etc.and i was only parking in the car park.I won a couple of trophys years ago in working class but my car was used everyday and sat in a busy street every night.the two rs2000 at strathclyde park were certainly not "working cars".i would love to attend some shows in future but i am put off as my car is not by any means mint but it is simply a tidy car i like to drive.i hope i have not ranted too much,i look forward to some answers to my comments.for ever old school

[RS2000CUSTOM]

bigjohnie - There is nothing further that I can add to your "SPOT-ON" comments.

Do like I do and enter your car for showing in Working Class and laugh to yourself at how much money that some people throw at their cars to win a £3.00 trophy.

To spend that much money they may as well go the extra mile and enter in Standard concours.

Hope to see you at some shows this year.

I want to see loads of MKII's at RS regional shows in 2003

[bigjohnie]

DAVE you have renewed my faith,i will be attending some shows and hope to meet some old school like myself who like a craic and quite a few beers(not in that order)my present car is nowhere near as good to show but i am only wanting to go along to meet some like minded rs fans and hopefully not all serious stuff along the way.I have just sent away to join this club so it would be good to get to know each other better and bring the fun back to owning the cars ,what do you think lads

[RS2000CUSTOM]

I dont think for one minute that your car is a wreck ! - so sod em - get yourself a log book and drive to a few shows and give it a clean then put it on show with the working class cars.

Even Cossie owners will talk to you !! - lol lol lol

[paul spence]

Bigjohnie.I like the sound of the beer and criac,there would be nothing better than a field full of mk2s,Ive had my motor slagged off before,to be honest I could not give a f***,its my car how I want it. :grin:
lol @ Dave,cossie owners will talk to you :roll:

[Banishit]

This is my type of show car 8-) one thats used all the time, Mine is driven everyday even to work 80miles round trip, if the box or engine give up I will rebuild her and the whole bottom and inner wings are covered in waxoil and have been for many a year by the look of it.
so it will stay that way. but will get treated to new clreaner parts as they arrive :grin:

[Mr Hoarder]

For me, Concours has turned into a 'Fat Wallet' competition, the cars cannot be used, and therefore those people who have extremely nice Mk2's , but who cannot afford to trailer them will put them in working class.

If OEC doesn't stand a chance in Concours, and it's driven to the show, but not used all year round, what other class other than working can it compete in, it is not worth showing it against a trailer queen, but it will always win against a daily driver. This particular car has caused a lot of debate, and I for one don't have an answer to it.

My own cars (when finished) will hopefully be used, but if and when the Blue custom gets done I'd like to think that Concours may beckon, if only for a while. The white one will be thrashed to within an inch of its' life :)

[Doh]

i shall be a "trailer queen" :grin: hopefully.....


i fact i've got 2 trailers :shock:

ones "working class" and the other is "standard class", i kid you not :paranoid:

[Charlie Chisholm]

For me, Concours has turned into a 'Fat Wallet' competition, the cars cannot be used, and therefore those people who have extremely nice Mk2's , but who cannot afford to trailer them will put them in working class

This is the reason why there is no cars at regional days in the standard class , this is peoples attitudes.

Is winning so important !!!!!!!!!!

Realistically their are only 2 trailered cars at the moment in the RS2000 Class, Ricky Ross CSL, and the signal entry at last years RSOC National Day, sorry cannot remember its reg, the Yellow car that used to belong to Andy Natriss. Both serious Concours cars, rarely seen at regional days, chances of bumping into them are slim.
Ricky might do 1 or 2 regional days tops, I would be happy coming second to him any day of the week, especially if I did not trailer, which I don’t because it not my cup of tea, and I can afford to trailer if I wanted to, just choose not to hide behind that excuse.
You could trailer your car all season for what a set of 7’s are worth, or 69l tank, but some people prefer to spend their hard earned cash storing obsolete spares. (Trailer hire approx £30 a day for a decent braked jobbie).

So bring your cars out and enjoy and leave trailering to the very very few who choose to do it.

PS I like Buying the odd Nice spare and stashing it away tho.
PPS I Compete in Standard Class Mk1, just for the record.
:-)

[Doh]

the yellow ones reg is OYD 550V :grin:

[topaz]

OYD will be at cumbria, mk2 day and national day, possibly ligh****er valley too

[Doh]

when is the mk2 day?

[Mr Hoarder]

[quote]
You could trailer your car all season for what a set of 7’s are worth, or 69l tank, but some people prefer to spend their hard earned cash storing obsolete spares. (Trailer hire approx £30 a day for a decent braked jobbie).

So bring your cars out and enjoy and leave trailering to the very very few who choose to do it.

PS I like Buying the odd Nice spare and stashing it away tho.
PPS I Compete in Standard Class Mk1, just for the record.
:-)

Charlie, Trailer hire locally to me is £80 + vat PER DAY, and to do a show for example in Cumbria (a 735 mile round trip as I found out last Saturday ) I would need it for 3 days which is £282.00. If I did 4 shows a year thats about a thousand pounds in trailer hire alone. A Brian James clubman trailer is £1400 and then add the cost of a suitable towing vehicle (A Transit in my case - £2500-£3000 ish) and you have the price of another Escort !

I am not knocking those people who trailer their cars, or those who don't. It's all about personal choice. If Ricky was to start driving CSL to shows here there and everywhere, very soon it wouldn't be the car it is today.

Once my Blue Custom is finished ( if :roll: ) then I expect to trailer it to shows, as damage caused on the road would upset me no end.

I might even show it in working class just to throw a cat amongst the pigeons (you know the drill - abandon the van and trailer at a hotel a few miles away and drive the car at 0.5 mph to the show :wink(1): )

[Charlie Chisholm]

Rob, Jesus mate forgot the cost of living difference between North and South, £80 + VAT for trailer hire :shock:

Trailer or not 2 Trailer, Concours or Working Class get your cars to the shows and enjoy. :-)

See you all at Cumbria in the MK1 RS2000, in Standard Class.

[Darran]

I had a great laugh in concours,but i was only in the easier modified class.
The best bit ,was leaving,turning on the line lock and smoking the tryes up the road !!
I just had to show every one it was'nt just all for show :grin:
Hope you all have a good season boys :-)
Darran

[RS2000CUSTOM]

Darran

Did u have the Orange Cozzy Mexico ?

[Darran]

Yep had the orange mexico but sadly its gone.

[RS2000CUSTOM]

Welcome to the MKII site and........

u better get another similar motor finished !!

Get booked on the Old Skool trackday and have some fun

[Darran]

Hi Dave
I am building another mexico,which will be a lot more of a trackday/pod car.
Hopefully be built for the summer.
Cheers
Darran