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I've had so many false starts with this car it's untrue. I'm not sure if you all frequent Turbosport but I've been toiling for the past few months knocking up a little garage at the back of our house to help me hopefully get the RS back on the road, the story is on TS. Anyway, after months and months of digging and building it was finally time to put the car in its new home. Hooraaah!!
I've owned this car since 1995 and it's been forgotten about since 2005, until today...
Dragged it across from the old garage across the road. Looking very sorry for itself...
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm469/carlf18/RS2000%20Restoration/IMG_8577.jpg
Bit of water and a scrub, there's still some nice bits...
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm469/carlf18/RS2000%20Restoration/IMG_8584.jpg
All tucked in...
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm469/carlf18/RS2000%20Restoration/IMG_8610.jpg
Started stripping...
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm469/carlf18/RS2000%20Restoration/IMG_8603.jpg
The bad bits...
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm469/carlf18/RS2000%20Restoration/IMG_8593.jpg
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm469/carlf18/RS2000%20Restoration/IMG_8592.jpg
I work in an office so I have very little knowledge of what to do next. I've been stalking the project and resto section for months and it all seems straight forward in my head. Putting that into practice is another thing!
Bear with me, I think we're talking years rather than weeks or months with this one.
Cheers,
Carl
Dave1800BDA
14-08-2010, 22:04
looks nice and shiney when it was cleaned, at least you have everything there, garage looks good too.
good luck with the resto, keep the pics coming
keep asking questions on here folks will help you, i bet if someone on here lives near you they will probably come give you a hand!!
looks a very good car, sure it can be sorted just keep at it and don't lose heart when things go a bit wrong.
Thanks guys. I'm sure there will be many many questions to follow.
(can't believe I've been registered on here for 5 years and only posted 12 times, must be a record)
A bit more background for you...
My first car was a 1.1 pop with drums all round (BNA 807T), that was back in 1985 after I passed my test. After that I had various 1.3's and even a 1.6 ghia. Upgraded to a red 1600 Sport (YYW 973T) in about 1986. That was stolen while I was at evening class at college (I heard it wartle off up the road but couldn't leave the lesson). With the insurance cash I bought a white 1600 Sport with bright blue stripes (JEC 773T), absolutely loved that car! I think there's a white RS2 on here a couple of digits away?
Anyway, slummed it for a while after I sold that one as I became a full time student at university. Studies over and in a decent job I was then able to buy a yellow RS2000 (ERW 574T). My stag do (1995) was in fact a week in this car heading as far south as I could get with a couple of mates. We ended up hitting St. Tropez, Nice and Milan, car never missed a beat. Shortly after I was married and took 2 weeks off for the honeymoon, expecting to go for days out in the RS. A couple of days in pulled back the curtains to find no car outside, another one stolen! The joys of living in Manchester!!
Insurance money arrived a few months later and off we trotted to the lakes to buy my present RS (VLV 991V). This car was mint when I bought it. Cleaned and polished at regular intervals. Then in 1998 the little guy (Ewan) arrived and I didn't seem to have enough time to do the good father and the car polishing bit so one of them had to be neglected.
Things went downhill with the RS until my attempt at getting it MOT'd in 2005 resulted in the bloke at the garage telling me it was knackered and basically at the end of its days. It's been in my mother-in-laws garage ever since. Until today!!!! Woo-Hoo!!!!
I really must do a Ruddy style run down of my cars. I really enjoyed reading and looking at that.
a cut here and a weld there and it'll be good as new, nice reg too, i like that, i find listing the job's and ticking them off keeps the motivation up when it gets cold and wet in the winter, a little bit often is the way to go, don't try and do it all at once, good luck:wink:
Thanks Taffr. I know what you mean about the reg. Me and my mates always like to make up words or phrases based on the reg of our cars. My crappy Merc runaround has JSP and so Juicy Steak Pie was born. When my mate first saw my RS though, a millisecond after he saw it, he looked back at me in astonishment, and utter the word, Vulva!
Heh heh like the number mate. Looks like a good car too. Kepp at it and the pics coming ;):hello2:
mike77cos
15-08-2010, 12:20
Looking forward to following this
bluevan1
15-08-2010, 12:59
hi looks a good project .
hope u get stuck in .
just take ur time will and it will fall in to place ..
a have restored a few myself .u cant beat a old ford.
minted cars...........:hello2:
Cheers guys. Had a few hours pottering about the front end today. I was defeated in the end trying to get the nosecone off. Those bleedin' studs and piddly nuts up at the inside top of the wing are a nightmare. I still have three of them refusing to budge. I can't get my angle grinder up there, I'm guessing I need something like a Dremmel to just cut the things out? I also have three that cease to exist, just disappeared in the pile of rust. The majority of the wing part that is different for the RS2 is pretty much gone on both sides, I think I'm going to have to get a couple of standard wings and modify them accordingly. Anyone done this before?
Defeated by the cone I just spent a couple of hours scraping underneath the front arches. I was fairly impressed with what I found. There was tons of what I can only describe as white rubbery bathroom sealant over all the joints, plus some yellow stuff about 1mm thick everywhere under another 1mm of black underseal.
I finished the day pleased that I found some solid steel under there!
my mate got wings from express,they look like standard 1`s that have been cut back and a rs section spot welded in.should`nt be hard to do if you can take sizes and templates from your old wings.
good luck with the project,keep the pics coming:D
If you are going to junk the wings anyway just cut most of it off so that you can get at the nosecone fixings, I speak from much experience.
Secondly if your budget allows go for genuine RS2 wings, they are still about, I used pattern RS's on one car and they were a nightmare, one was too long and one was too short, not worth saving the difference over genuine.
The sealer etc sounds like the genuine article so with luck it should be untouched underneath, always the best starting point for a resto.
All the best, Paul
graham John
16-08-2010, 10:49
good luck with the resto, as said earlier, do a little and often, keeps the motivation going, also plan well ahead for the bits you will need and buy as and when possible
cheeRS
Thanks guys. I'm a long way off buying new stuff just yet. I'm going to be taking the first few months simply taking bits off and scraping at the years of crud. But thanks for the advice - it will be remembered for later.
I have loads of access to the studs and nuts, it's just that they're rusted solid. Saying that, they're not nuts anymore, all the corners have been rounded off during my struggles. I'm going to borrow something a bit more delicate than an angle grinder, or maybe even chisel the things off.
I'll take a load of pictures when I get back in there this evening.
As promised, some pictures. Tell me to stop if it's all getting too boring :o.
Passenger side detail showing missing front of wing.
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm469/carlf18/RS2000%20Restoration/IMG_8612.jpg
And from the inside, I just managed to get the angle grinder in there but it was bouncing around and I bottled it. Doubt I'll get to the top stud.
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm469/carlf18/RS2000%20Restoration/IMG_8617.jpg
Drivers side is pretty much the same.
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm469/carlf18/RS2000%20Restoration/IMG_8613.jpg
I actually managed to get the two hardest to reach nuts off. Just the one in the middle that's not co-operating.
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm469/carlf18/RS2000%20Restoration/IMG_8628.jpg
So I moved on to scraping the passenger side inner wing. Good bits...
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm469/carlf18/RS2000%20Restoration/IMG_8614.jpg
And bad...
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm469/carlf18/RS2000%20Restoration/IMG_8618.jpg
And it looks like it's very much the same story on the drivers side. This shows the steel, painted black, the yellow layer??? and then the layer of underseal. Did its job here...
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm469/carlf18/RS2000%20Restoration/IMG_8623.jpg
But not here.
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm469/carlf18/RS2000%20Restoration/IMG_8629.jpg
Took the sound deadening off the bulkhead top, sure enough, big blob of something put in years ago to stop the water gathering:
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm469/carlf18/RS2000%20Restoration/IMG_8638.jpg
Pulled it out of the way to reveal this. Did Ford do this area like this on purpose so that the cars were destined to fall apart?
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm469/carlf18/RS2000%20Restoration/IMG_8639.jpg
Finally, had a scrape around the top of the inner wings. When I bought the car in 1995 I was impressed that the wing rails looked to have been done with a neat job, had a little nosey further to find that home made sheets had in fact been lap jointed on using stitch welds and not butt welds. Oh well!
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm469/carlf18/RS2000%20Restoration/IMG_8637.jpg
Plenty to do. :eek:
"there all like that sir" :D
keep going it'll be worth it, as said If you see bits BUY THEM, you may never see some of them again and of you do they will normally be more exspensive,
you need to invest in a dremal for those bits ;)
Looks a good base to start with there mate, will be well worth all the hard graft you put in for sure :D
Get the grinder out and get stuck in :cool:
mike77cos
17-08-2010, 10:02
We'll never get bored, keep going six sided socket and plenty of WD40
never get bored of pics, More the merrier :D
keep at it though mate doing well ;)
bluevan1
17-08-2010, 21:27
hi nice to see some work going on there.
am sure u do a grand job of it .
keep the pics comeing m8.....:D
Brilliant thread , love it . Just like my old black un .
It will all be worth it in the end .
Well done :bow:
Thanks guys (and girl?). The encouragement is really helping in these very early stages where you find nothing but decay. Couple of hours in there tonight before it went dark (really must get my electrics sorted out!). Decided to stop mincing around and really attack the studs and nuts on the back of the cone. After completely destroying one of the nuts to the point where there was very little of it left, it still took mole grips and 10 minutes to finally prize it off. I nicknamed this one the "c-nut", or something along those lines.
Success!!
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm469/carlf18/RS2000%20Restoration/IMG_8640.jpg
Fail...
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm469/carlf18/RS2000%20Restoration/IMG_8641.jpg
Epic fail...
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm469/carlf18/RS2000%20Restoration/IMG_8646.jpg
Might just flat-front it, or is that something frowned upon on these boards?
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm469/carlf18/RS2000%20Restoration/IMG_8647.jpg
Hi Mate,
Just having a look through your thread, the part where you mentioned the heater bubble rotting. If you have a look at my thread (Basket case?) this might give you a few pointers.
And agree with others the more pics you put up the better to help future resto stars :D
Keep up the good work ;)
Thanks Daz, I'll have a look at that now and stick it in my favourites for when I'm up to putting it all back together. This forum needs a "thanks" button like on turbosport.
Cheers,
Carl
wetandwindy2
17-08-2010, 23:01
flat fronting carl isnt frowned upon here as at the end of the day its your car but personally why spoil it as its a really nice car and as for the rot it comes hand in hand with a ford plenty panels available to fix them as well good job it always looks worse at the beginning just look at some of the resto threads on here and the end results are good chinup ;)
RS2000EXPRESS
18-08-2010, 00:27
Keep the good work going mate as it looks a nice car well worth doing right....and please keep the nose cone as you will be glad that you had. There is some excellent advice for you here so take it as you go along and you will get there ok.:)
If you have a problem with a nut again try centre popping and drilling it down one side of the nut parrallel to the hole/stud but carefully avoiding touching the stud or bolt. Firstly with a small drill and then you can open it out until the nut is weakened or you can jiggle something about in the hole to widen it a bit, then it should come off....I got some off my nose cone and bumper bracket like that.
All the best,
Tim.
Great stuff I was waiting to see if you would just chop that part of the wing...like your style :D
Its up to you at the end of the day mate, I flat fronted mine (the one in my sig)...but had good reason to do so also :rolleyes:
Keep up the good work, looking forward to more updates :)
Looking good. Take loads of pics as you take it apart m8 as wen it comes to the re build they will be handy to look back on.
Somthing i didnt do!!!!!! :rolleyes: :clown:
bluevan1
19-08-2010, 20:54
comeing on well.
good to see ur getting in about the front end.:D
I'll not flat-front it. Mentioned it to my wife and she said don't be daft, you can't lose that nosecone, it's her best feature, she can't lose her boobs! She sees strange things.
Cheers for the advice Tim, I'll definitely do that next time.
Shifty: I would never go chopping at any of the panels, delicate easing is the way forward. Incidently, has anybody taken detailed pictures of removing a front wing? I can't get my head around how you know where all the spot welds are on the rail. I can feel a couple of likely places but I really wouldn't know where to drill. Also, how do you seperate the lower front edge from the front panel (the bit that's usually hidden behind the nosecone)? They appear to be spot welded from inside the wheelarch and I can't see a way of accessing them with a drill. The only bit of wing removal I'm certain about is the three bolts securing them to the A pillar.
Thanks Ashley, I'm trying to, although some of the pictures I've taken just tend to confuse and scare me...
http://i319.photobucket.com/albums/mm469/carlf18/RS2000%20Restoration/IMG_8657a.jpg
eep! I'm sure I'll figure out where they all plug back in again! :eek:
Thanks bluevan. :cool:
It would be better to take some masking tape and write on it which each plug is , then stick it to the connector so when the time comes it will save a lot of headache :)
Thanks ddc, you're a lot more logical than me.
Still spending my time unbolting stuff and tranferring to the loft.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4143/4917726604_14ae614913_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4917726604/)
IMG_8695 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4917726604/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4101/4917726338_07f47701c9_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4917726338/)
IMG_8694 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4917726338/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4076/4917726882_ce66d102b9_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4917726882/)
IMG_8696 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4917726882/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
So sweet...
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4074/4917126765_69aac70075_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4917126765/)
IMG_8697 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4917126765/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
A posts aren't looking too bad.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4119/4930718754_5e08cce983_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930718754/)
IMG_8703 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930718754/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4142/4930129655_626f002e8a_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930129655/)
IMG_8705 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930129655/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4080/4930129755_aba8a76c90_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930129755/)
IMG_8707 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930129755/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4074/4930129869_681bc4d69b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930129869/)
IMG_8709 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930129869/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
Spending my time cleaning stuff up so I can see the rot clearly.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4081/4930719194_b33c6883f2_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930719194/)
IMG_8716 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930719194/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4142/4930719098_7c694f5469_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930719098/)
IMG_8714 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930719098/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
Revealed a dodgy spot where the passenger inner wing meets the front panel. Some work required here!
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4077/4930719290_0d3a5262d6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930719290/)
IMG_8717 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930719290/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4117/4930130215_21b084e0f7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930130215/)
IMG_8718 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930130215/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4101/4930130311_b1f7b4783a_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930130311/)
IMG_8721 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930130311/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
And a few underside shots revealing holy (?) chassis and multiple crap sills.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4119/4930719610_2049648c8e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930719610/)
IMG_8726 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930719610/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4138/4930719774_a374b40fcd_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930719774/)
IMG_8727 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930719774/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4142/4930130375_e06b0706fc_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930130375/)
IMG_8722 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930130375/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4081/4930719832_3b7d942528_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930719832/)
IMG_8728 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930719832/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4117/4930719914_b08048cc4a_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930719914/)
IMG_8732 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930719914/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4138/4930720014_b7a86a2ee1_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930720014/)
IMG_8736 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930720014/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
Looking good, be a very nice car once finished.
Keep the bits more organised than I did, I'm spending all my time now sourcing pieces I have lost :)
Making good progress there mate.
Another wee suggestion is to get some of those small zipper freezer bags and keep the nuts and bolts, screws etc in them and label what they are for . Again it will save with the headache:)
Keep up the good work though will be worth it in the end ;)
some great work there, love the shots with the parts laid out for inspection, when is the grinder coming out???
greenmex
28-08-2010, 17:50
last time i saw that it was at a garage near me having radiator work look a nice car hope to see it again good luck with the rebuild
wetandwindy2
28-08-2010, 18:30
coming on now doesnt look as if it needs much welding
Keep the bits more organised than I did, I'm spending all my time now sourcing pieces I have lost :)
Cheers Fraser, I'm OK at the minute since I'm only taking stuff off and if it doesn't fit in the loft it stays in the garage. Must have a chat next time I'm up at Balmoral.
Another wee suggestion is to get some of those small zipper freezer bags and keep the nuts and bolts, screws etc in them and label what they are for . Again it will save with the headache:)
Thanks ddc, What I'm doing at the moment is putting everything back where it came from. At the moment all I have lying about is the nosecone fiddly stuff, and one bolt on the top of the inner wing which I haven't a clue where it came from! When I'm chopping and need to remove bolts I'll use bags as you suggest.
some great work there, love the shots with the parts laid out for inspection, when is the grinder coming out???
Need some lecky in there first taffr. My bro is on the case (he works for CEF) and that's the next priority. New consumer unit and SWA down the garden to the garage. There'll be sparks soon honest!
last time i saw that it was at a garage near me having radiator work look a nice car hope to see it again good luck with the rebuild
Up opposite Scott Road? I remember seeing a mk2 in there when I had my rad done. Or am I getting confuzzled?
coming on now doesnt look as if it needs much welding
Hmmmm! Watch this space.
looking well mate! :D
Cheers Shifty. I have something to aim for ^^^.
No update to post, all I've done in the last couple of days is take the servo and inlet manifold/carb off. I'll be back when there's something more interesting to post.
Mk2steve
30-08-2010, 13:36
Loving this thread mate wish you all the best keep the pics comming please:)
Thanks Steve, glad you like it. Some more pics:
Bought another set of axle stands and a little trolley jack so that I could attack the back end. The end result was...
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4154/4946305836_d2cc96f9f1_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4946305836/)
IMG_8784 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4946305836/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4128/4945721307_fe2f3ff2c3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4945721307/)
IMG_8785 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4945721307/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
Strange place to have a patch??
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IMG_8786 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4946306126/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
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IMG_8787 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4946306354/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
Crunchy!!!
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4153/4945721869_e14cd5da0b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4945721869/)
IMG_8789 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4945721869/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
Tank well has been patched....it's gonna need doing again!
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IMG_8792 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4946306642/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
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IMG_8797 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4946307102/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
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IMG_8812 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4945722627/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
I've asked this over on Turbo Sports also, Will it be possible to drop the remaining "big" bits down as one chunk? Trolley jack under the engine and box, remove gearbox crossmember bolts, front anti-roll bar bolts, strut top bolts, engine cross member / chassis connection bolts. The whole lot could be lowered down and there would be little weight left in the shell, maybe lift the front end up and wheel out the engine and box. I may be talking tish though. Just trying to save on hiring an engine hoist.
Fat Cat the Rat
01-09-2010, 00:15
You can lower it all in one ( done it many a time ! ) just remember you'll still need height clearance, handy to have a couple of mates around also !! Good luck.
Cheers Fat Cat. It's just me I'm afraid, don't have any mates, that's why I'm spending all my days in the garage. I'll work something out.
I'm leaving it as it is for the next 3 days, going out with the family before the little guy goes back to school next week.
Doing it all in one I find easier, as above just make sure you have the clearance to get it out, only thing really to watch is the steering coupling ;)
wouldnt have a go on my own though it's a big lump when it's waiving around on the jack !
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v94/mogsmex/DSC00515.jpg
Fabulous picture Glyn - I really like that! Would I gain anything by taking the head off or are the struts the problem. I'm not sure how much they would move around, I take it I won't be able to move these out to the side through the wheelarches, then pull the whole lot forward?
I've watched a Mk2mania vid of them putting a shell on a spit. One guy lifted the front end of the shell off the axle stands and placed it on the A frame. Once this egine / box lump is unbolted I'll basically have the bare shell. I should be able to lift the nose as high as is needed for a few seconds while the engine / box is dragged forward, shouldn't I? Or will the windows add a load of weight?
Spinach butties for my 12 year old and wife it is then for a week or so. Build them up so they can lend a hand.
4parajon
02-09-2010, 11:53
Cheers Fat Cat. It's just me I'm afraid, don't have any mates, that's why I'm spending all my days in the garage. I'll work something out.
I'm leaving it as it is for the next 3 days, going out with the family before the little guy goes back to school next week.
Dont worry about that mate, lets arrange a time when your ready and I'll drag my mate Murdoch (with the van) round and the 3 of us will drop it out one night ;)
That's very kind of you Jon, you're a star!
I'm just off to see my brother for some electrical stuff to enable me to get some lights and power in the garage. It won't be plumbed in for a week or two though. I have an extension lead and an inspection lamp though - woo-hoo!
I'll give all the bolts a good soaking with my trusty can of 3-in-1 spray oil today. I'm out this afternoon and tomorrow afternoon with my lad, (evenings available), all weekend available, then back to work on Monday. So then it's back to 6:30pm onwards.
Whenever you can pop over would be absolutely great, just drop me a quick message.
Cheers, Carl
making nice progress there carl ;)
keep at it fella :)
garrybhoy
03-09-2010, 11:33
Dont worry about that mate, lets arrange a time when your ready and I'll drag my mate Murdoch (with the van) round and the 3 of us will drop it out one night ;)
Now thats the sort of stuff this site should be made of.
My hats off to that man for offering his time and effort to the OP
Nice one John :hug:
good site this with top people :D
Time for an update I think...
I've been concentrating on cables and stuff for what seems like a life time, the RS has basically just been getting in the way! Anyway, on Tuesday my brother in law popped over and he brought his step son. I think the lad's 20ish. He was fascinated to see what I was doing and we chatted for half an hour or so. I mentioned that in the time we'd been chatting, the three of us could have whipped the engine and box out since it's only held in with four bolts. They did offer to go for it but I said I was only kidding. At this point should mention that the step son is in the fire brigade.
Anyway, 30 mins after they'd gone my wife fetches me a coffee. She mentions that the stepson is coming on Saturday to fit a couple of smoke alarms in the house. Then she casually adds that he'll be with the crew in the fire engine, and that they'll all help me to get the engine out.
So today was full of action, the guys were only in the garage for 10 mins, job done!!!
I must apologise at this point to Jon, I was plodding away trying to sort out the lighting situation but since these guys made a date without me knowing it kinda forced my hand. I was up at 9am this morning temporarily making the lights work. Thanks again for the offer bud, I'm sure we'll meet up at some point.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4131/5002338498_138b6783ec_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5002338498/)
IMG_8860 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5002338498/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4129/5002338658_9b1460e1f9_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5002338658/)
IMG_8863 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5002338658/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4087/5002338788_61c1aebdd6_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5002338788/)
IMG_8865 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5002338788/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4085/5001735773_1459d799fb_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5001735773/)
IMG_8873 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5001735773/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
wetandwindy2
18-09-2010, 22:55
nice one as they say many hands make light work :)
Little update from me. Had to pretty much destroy the mounting rail of the passenger side wing due to the big welds of the previous repair. Oh well. And as for not having to worry about the A posts...Hmmmm!!!
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4131/5018407251_597c937871_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5018407251/)
IMG_8889 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5018407251/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4132/5019014524_85e005f9d3_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5019014524/)
IMG_8892 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5019014524/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4092/5019013420_aa04313788_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5019013420/)
IMG_8880 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5019013420/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
The network of patches at the front panel / wing interface is becomming a little clearer too.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4148/5018408135_26873d62b0_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5018408135/)
IMG_8897 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5018408135/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4104/5018407483_9a73be9bda_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5018407483/)
IMG_8891 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5018407483/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
Nice to see you`ve made some good progress with it. Like the pic of her with the nose back on and sitting up high in the stands:).
good to see you have the engine and box out too. Coming along very nicely.
P.S As for the wing you asked about it was pretty much powder and the postage cost would`ve been more than it was worth. There is guy up my way that i let him have it so he can make a template and after that its going in the scrap bin. Sorry took so long to reply :o
Good luck at nat day in finding some goodies . I will be doing the same !!:D
Keep up the good work and the pics coming;)
Dave
Thanks very much Dave. Encouragement is really needed at this stage. No worries about the wing - it's good that somebody is making a template though. Will your guy be able to get details of the cutout dimensions and the plate sizes of the part that is perculiar to the RS wing? Stuff like that would be great to allow others to knock up replacements from standard wings.
Good luck in your hunt for goodies at NT, if you see a passenger side A post keep walking and leave it for me please! :)
I finally found time to head over the Pennines today to see "Skids" about the rollover spit. I was concerned that it wouldn't fit in the Punto I borrowed. I need not have worried. Sorted, thanks again Mark!
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http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4105/5048791694_f8acd68115_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5048791694/)IMG_9003 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5048791694/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4089/5048791376_039ebe2782_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5048791376/)IMG_8999 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5048791376/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
I doubt there will be much progress now for many, many months. I've started scraping all the underseal / protection to see what metal I have to work with. Started with the passenger side bulkhead / underwing area. I'm making very, very slow progress as I'm trying to take off the dirt, the black tar underseal, then the yellow protective layer (Ziebart??) but leave behind as much of the original black Ford paint as I possibly can. I've scraped a bit too hard on occasion as you can see...
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4132/5048792028_5a4673dc30_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5048792028/)IMG_9011 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5048792028/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
Cheers, Carl
Nice to see it stripped and on the spit in a relatively short time. The best thing to do with the scraping stage is to just get your head down and get on with it and don`t stand back and think about it. Just keep convincing yourself of what it will be at the end ;)
What i used on a previous shell was a 4" grinder and a knotted wire brush but that takes it back to bare metal but saves a hell of a time carl.
Keep the pics coming :)
coming on great mate!, the spit is a wonderful thing! :cool:
When I took the underseal etc off from under mine I used the burning gear and a scraper :D lol, worked a treat too :)
Hi Carl
Glad the spit is doing a good job for you ,as discussed you won't break it and can safely work inside the car whilst it is in the air .
You have got a decent car there at least you have some solid inner wings to work with ,keep the pics coming and remember it will go back together one day ;) and all the work you have put in will be worth it
Mark
Thanks guys, I'm very patient but also very pedantic. I'll keep plodding on.
Hey Mark. Thanks once again. Agricultural / Nuclear were the words banded about :). Only gone to 45° because I was on my own. Need a helper to check all around the car for clearances if I'm going to push it to 90°. Next time the wife brings me a brew we'll go for it.
bluevan1
06-10-2010, 00:40
thats good ur getting on with ur car .
doing the job .
the spit jig u have will make work alot easyer .
a found that on mines when a started .........:D
Not much of an update here really. I'm still scraping old underseal off to see if I find any suprises. The first picture is from before I started scraping:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4119/4930719610_2049648c8e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930719610/)
IMG_8726 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/4930719610/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
and how it looks after a bit of a dig:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4035/5082352682_a828991b36_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5082352682/)
IMG_9021 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5082352682/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
Since I have no money for a welder just yet I'm taking my time gently removing all the coatings. I realise it would be much quicker with a twisted brush but hey, I've got months to kill until I have welder money.
As you can see, flat surfaces are suited to my screwdriver approach, curved surfaces however are a nightmare:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4110/5082352824_41f2b1d2fc_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5082352824/)
IMG_9022 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5082352824/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
Rear, underseat floor is going to need a plate or two, and the wheel-tub lip has had a bash at some point in the past:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4051/5081758495_cc010a3a36_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5081758495/)
IMG_9031 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5081758495/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
My favourite joint on the car so far, bulkhead/chassis/inner wing:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4015/5082353038_e8657ffd8f_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5082353038/)
IMG_9034 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5082353038/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
My random approach, when I get bored I change location:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4047/5081758699_113b0d7fb9_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5081758699/)
IMG_9040 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5081758699/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
And it comes off much easier in the areas between the chassis rails:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4029/5082353298_aef7f1ebc9_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5082353298/)
IMG_9041 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5082353298/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
Uncovering some nice metal there carl
Doing a cracking job , keep at it fella ;)
And the pics coming :D
mike77cos
15-10-2010, 09:16
Very nice work
Long job but worth it in the end, have you tried petrol or similar to soften it a bit??
Thanks guys. Petrol eh? Nope not tried that. I'm using a heat gun but sometimes that softens the black paint too. I've got some old LRP in the shed, I'll give that a go. Ta!
Any update on your Resto Carl ?
Need more pics :D
Hey Mark, nice of you to ask. Not "real" progress, just more scraping. More or less completed the bottom and outer surfaces of the passenger chassis. Also attacking the final, hard to reach bits of the inner wing, 85% exposed now I'd say. (just the inner wing, not the whole underside)
I sold my EOS 40D at the weekend on Fleabay so I'm only left with my old 10D. I'll dig it out and take some snaps tomorrow evening. No welding or cutting or anything interesting really, just more black paint visible rather than underseal (full of scratches through to the metal:banghead: )
Good too see you're still at it.
If I'm ever in a prison I'll want you as a cell mate with a spoon
Thanks Pushrod, but spoon? I'd need to be re-trained, I only work with a screwdriver :p.
Here's the little update I promised. As already mentioned, no work being done, so to speak, just more uncovering:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1366/5147298842_72683db520_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5147298842/)
IMG_8487 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5147298842/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
Passenger side inner wing almost done, just the fiddly bits to do down the sides of the suspension towers:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1056/5146696967_5af7999119_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5146696967/)
IMG_8489 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5146696967/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4044/5146697089_090ae2fac7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5146697089/)
IMG_8491 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5146697089/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
Floor and chassis looking OK I suppose:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1338/5147299208_5979ec50c7_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5147299208/)
IMG_8498 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5147299208/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1395/5146697321_48e547e91d_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5146697321/)
IMG_8499 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5146697321/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
But I've really been concentrating on the front end. This is about 4 weeks work I guess:
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1417/5147299456_fc85693959_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5147299456/)
IMG_8506 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5147299456/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1154/5146697595_19ea9b8385_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5146697595/)
IMG_8511 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5146697595/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4112/5146697697_b0df0dbb3a_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5146697697/)
IMG_8512 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5146697697/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
Tonights patch, this is why it's taking me so long, but hey, what's the rush?
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4127/5147299804_d4d61f43fe_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5147299804/)
IMG_8513 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5147299804/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
An hour later...
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4152/5147299940_4da1f67d57_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5147299940/)
IMG_8515 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5147299940/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
Mk2steve
05-11-2010, 09:20
hi Carl i see you are still at your labour of love, doing a brill job there over all your car looks in good shape hang in there,loven this thread.
Making progress there Karl. Know it looks like a lot of time for not much results but once you start cutting out and fitting new panels then it will have been all worth it and then you`ll really see progress ;).
Keep at it and the pics coming :);)
Hi Carl, i did the same job on the wifes rs2000 a few years ago, i used a screwdriver too, after i got all i could off with the screwdriver i used GUNK you can get it from halfords in a tin, painted it on with a brush and then you can just wipe the panel clean, job done, no harsh fumes or chemicals to dela with and took the underseal right off, the stuff outside the chassis rails, that springy white shite that just moves around i got off with paint stripper, that was the worst part of the floor on that car too, your floor looks in good nick, just the usual metal sections to sort out but nothing too bad
Graham
Hi Carl, i did the same job on the wifes rs2000 a few years ago, i used a screwdriver too, after i got all i could off with the screwdriver i used GUNK you can get it from halfords in a tin, painted it on with a brush and then you can just wipe the panel clean, job done, no harsh fumes or chemicals to dela with and took the underseal right off, the stuff outside the chassis rails, that springy white shite that just moves around i got off with paint stripper, that was the worst part of the floor on that car too, your floor looks in good nick, just the usual metal sections to sort out but nothing too bad
Graham
and i did NUB all on my own it was well hard work:eek::D
Thanks very much guys, I will take a trip out to get some new supplies, I'm willing to give everything a try.
Oops just realised i have spelt you`re name with a K instead if a C :o:o:o:o
Sorry about that Carl :)
wetandwindy2
06-11-2010, 21:09
nice job carl looking pretty good underneath not to much rot to worry about the chassis looks good good on you for sticking at it
mike77cos
06-11-2010, 21:22
Really doesn't look that bad, glad your making good progress
hotrs2000
06-11-2010, 22:26
some great work going on there son..got all this to look forward too as well.
Hey guys, I've not updated my scraping progress for a while. I've been concentrating on the passenger side floor, tunnel and rear wheel tub. I think I'm well over half way now which is nice, I can't believe I've been at this for two months now!!
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5045/5228973784_2a5d6d3b9c_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5228973784/)
IMG_8530 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5228973784/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
I've finally ditched the idea of using a steel screwdriver for the scraping, I wasn't happy with all the scratches from pressing on too hard. I've discovered that using a 39p Wilkinsons wooden spatula is much easier on the car. (I've been through 5 of them so far!). Results are far more pleasing...
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5287/5228973852_d7668abddd_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5228973852/)
IMG_8532 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5228973852/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5088/5228973944_ed85080a82_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5228973944/)
IMG_8533 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5228973944/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5008/5228379515_97f888b143_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5228379515/)
IMG_8534 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5228379515/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5244/5228974058_e542a70698_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5228974058/)
IMG_8535 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5228974058/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5046/5228974172_4ac727f9a9_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5228974172/)
IMG_8536 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5228974172/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
The rear wheel tub was a nightmare, the stoneguard/underseal was really thick, had to work in 100mm x 50mm sections, applying heat for a minute or so then giving it a good push with the spatula, after a matter of seconds the stuff would go hard again and require more heat. The smoke wasn't very nice either.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5289/5228974216_e6f3560676_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5228974216/)
IMG_8537 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5228974216/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
About 10 hours in total later and the tub was clear...
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5163/5228379763_e76ac0528d_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5228379763/)
IMG_8538 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5228379763/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5202/5228379845_8881379487_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5228379845/)
IMG_8539 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5228379845/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
I'm almost ready for flipping over to complete the floor section outboard of the chassis. Might be ready for cutting in another couple of months!
Thats coming on really well , Past the worst of it now i`d say.
least it keeps you busy with the weather at the moment !!.
keep it up carl and the pics coming :);)
looking good m8. keep it up :)
bluevan1
04-12-2010, 09:32
hi m8 u have been realy busy since a looked at ur resto .
ur rs looks quite good compared to some .
well worth saving ...
the spit makes a big differnts a found that out out when a done mine.
mines is packed away for the winter now .
starting another project very soon for a m8 .may put a resto on here .
keep up the good work work u will get there and it be worth it
when ur finshed...........:)
wetandwindy2
04-12-2010, 19:20
wow what a difference well done you for sticking to it i gave up after 2 weeks :o looks to be in good order there not much rot there bet your well pleased
Mk2steve
04-12-2010, 22:50
Hi Carl i see you are keeping up the good work,i am sure you are well pleased with the floor of the car.As said before loven the thread keep the pics comming mate.
looks in great nick under there :cool:
your doing a great job there carl, at least you have some good mettal to work with. some member,s on here start with a lot less than you have and turn some fantastic car,s out.
so keep at it, and keep the pic,s coming. you, plenty of encouragement from the boy,s on here.
looking at the floor in blackpaint contradict,s the dove grey underside with top coat overspray that some escorts are finished with as per factory finish, assuming your car has,nt had any work done underneath in the past. anyone any thought,s on this.
steve.
Thanks for the encouragement guys - it really does help a great deal, especially with this part of the tidy up. I've not even looked at the car for a couple of days as I've been on a course in that there Scotland. Spoke briefly with Fraz (DDA) who took great pleasure in pointing out that his is almost on the road (after a bit of imminent re-touching). Swine, I'm years away from that!!
I'll keep the pics coming if that bloke in the red outfit brings me a new camera.
Dobbo, I hear what you're saying about the overspray thingy - I'm not too sure how it was originally or if that is the original paint. All that is underneath it though is bright metal, I can't imagine any previous resto (pre 1995 when I bought it) would have bare metalled the underside sprayed it gloss black only to cover it all again with stone-chip and underseal. I could be talking nonsense, but weren't black cars special order? And as such would have needed special treatment? I've not found any overspray anywhere, just all gloss. The photos don't really capture the paint quality, it's a very difficult colour to capture in a good light. It looks much better in the flesh.
Seen the garage build on TS ,cars looking really good ,garage is looking good aswell i wonder how long it will stay that tidy ;)
l8r Bill
Time for an update Carl ;)
Need more pics
Hey Mark, it's really nice of you to ask. I've not posted anything recently since....well....there's not really any progress. I didn't really want to bore you all with exploits of my scraping marathon. I've been down the garage every night, freezing my nads off, persuading bits of stubborn tar and stonechip to give up the fight. The point I'm at now is that the underside is probably 98% done, and I've recently been scraping the bits of glue from inside the car, mainly where the sound deadening was under the rear seat and on the roof.
Here's three pics anyway just to show that I am still doing something...
Underside done (ish)
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5020/5405598751_6992af491c_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5405598751/)
IMG_8570a (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5405598751/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
Front inner wing / chassis rail, the repair bodge pretty much fell off...
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5055/5405598921_6785581afb_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5405598921/)
IMG_8577a (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5405598921/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
On the bright side, I've revealed a fairly nice, original sill on the drivers side, much nicer than the multiple sills on the passenger side...
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5018/5406204034_8aa3cb9ccb_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5406204034/)
IMG_8580a (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5406204034/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
I made a 300 mile trip a couple of weeks back to pick up my MIG set, just need to find some cash from somewhere to buy some 0.6mm wire, some gas and a mask. Wish I wasn't so broke! :(
mike77cos
01-02-2011, 06:52
Good work mate
You`ve done a fantastic job there karl,
looking good and will only get better as you start to get new metal on. Keep up the good work and the pics coming ;)
Thanks lads.
Since nobody has told me to stop posting because they're completely bored of this.....
What a bee-atch of a job removing all of the gunge from under the rear seat. From this:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5138/5436920159_1b57f8a334_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5436920159/)
IMG_8676 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5436920159/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
To this...
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4073/5436920645_8b615a873b_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5436920645/)
IMG_8627 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5436920645/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
Just a layer of thick paint and primer to remove to reveal the gloss black below.
Then there's the front floor pans. After I stripped the car I more or less poured rust convertor in there to hide the orange coloured floor:
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4074/5437529072_b7d3e5475e_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5437529072/)
IMG_8612 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5437529072/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
Fearing the worst I began a little exploratory scraping tonight and was relieved to reveal at least 50% solid metal. Hopefully I won't have to replace the whole front floor, might get away with the odd patch here and there...
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5020/5437529208_72029a5920_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5437529208/)
IMG_8624 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5437529208/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
I'll keep plodding on!
mike77cos
12-02-2011, 10:21
Looking good mate, and no we are not bored at all
No we`re not bored of it at all , (at least I`m not )
keep the pics coming :)
Just remember the tesco motto - every little helps :D
Carl
You have a bloody good base there to work from ,the welding compared with alot of others will be quite minimal ,even Frosties has had more Mig on it :eek:
Me too am not bored with this thread
I will start my own next week as SAG is having a new set of wings fitted in a weeks time so the "blister " will be surgically removed :D
I will post pics for you and the other Bufties to pass comment ;)
bluevan1
12-02-2011, 20:44
hey ur doing a grand job.
ur care looks strong compare to some.u will have this done the easy wae .
hope u get sorting out and do some welding u will get the hang of it.
keep the pics comeing will watch ur progress m8.:)
wetandwindy2
12-02-2011, 21:13
still looks in good shape lucky you
Thanks chaps.
I've been concentrating on getting all the sound deadening off the tunnel this week. Driver's side is looking good...
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5097/5457309252_448147103f_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5457309252/)
IMG_8638 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5457309252/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
Still got the passenger side to do. This side has a few more traces of rust where the tunnel meets the bulkhead. I shall uncover more over the coming week.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5093/5456702195_f30182bbe1_b.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5456702195/)
IMG_8635 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5456702195/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
bluevan1
19-02-2011, 22:11
looking well m8.....
Well done for sticking wih the scraping! First time Ive posted in ages just read through from p1. Definately a great car in the making! A word on your wings, if you can save them, save them the pattern rs ones just aren't worth the trouble. When I did mine i skipped a pair (!) because just the rails were a bit tatty and bought the express pattern ones. When I came to fit them they were awful, one longer than the other and the swage line was nowhere near matching on the cone! Ended up getting another set of s/h ones off RACE and rebuilt therails and fitted them, It now lines up a treat, but what an ordeal!!
For what its worth when you eventually start cutting, concentrate on one area at a time and weld up and dress fully before moving on to the next. Good Luck!! :)
Thanks guys.
Thanks for the info grs. I still have my wings but they are in a terrible state. Both of the rails are butchered and bent from getting them off, it had been repaired in the past so the simple spot welds had been replaced by hefty plug welds. I was wondering if it would be better to buy a set of repro wings and slice off the rails and cone cut-backs and transplant them across. I'd also need to swap the pillar joint piece. One of the wings needs a fair chunk of the arch fixing too. Oh well, I don't need to worry about these things yet, I'm probably 2 or 3 years off putting wings back on.
Thanks guys.
Thanks for the info grs. I still have my wings but they are in a terrible state. Both of the rails are butchered and bent from getting them off, it had been repaired in the past so the simple spot welds had been replaced by hefty plug welds. I was wondering if it would be better to buy a set of repro wings and slice off the rails and cone cut-backs and transplant them across. I'd also need to swap the pillar joint piece. One of the wings needs a fair chunk of the arch fixing too. Oh well, I don't need to worry about these things yet, I'm probably 2 or 3 years off putting wings back on.
Carl
Keep an eye on my Resto of the front end on SAG
One of my wings the NS is thought to be a genuine Ford pannel all be it secondhand ,the OS is a Pattern one I bought off a chap in Barry South Wales and looked very good ( we shall see this week how it fits up .
The chap doing the work for me is also fitting new wing rails which might help with the line up of the seams ,I will let you know what issues he has with what pannels .
Cheers
Mark
specialbuild
28-02-2011, 18:54
Thanks guys. I'm a long way off buying new stuff just yet. I'm going to be taking the first few months simply taking bits off and scraping at the years of crud. But thanks for the advice - it will be remembered for later.
I have loads of access to the studs and nuts, it's just that they're rusted solid. Saying that, they're not nuts anymore, all the corners have been rounded off during my struggles. I'm going to borrow something a bit more delicate than an angle grinder, or maybe even chisel the things off.
I'll take a load of pictures when I get back in there this evening.
hi mate good luck with the project.
On the subject of rusted nuts or bolts really the only thing you need is heat. last month i had a similar issue and after trying everything at my disposal a friend had a very small oxycetaline kit - i must get one of those!!
If that is not a possibility for you then try the dremmel and cut through 2 sides of the nut.
hope that helps. ian
Thanks Mark, Ian and Shifty,
Been busy easing off all the sound deadening panels and the seam sealer from the joints. Then rubbing back with T-Cut to reveal the original paint, so much so that my fingers are in pain! Decided to have a change of scenery and changed the 16A plug for a 13A plug on my MIG and fire it up for the first time (to make sure it actually works!). Still not welded with it but at least I know it fires up. Anyway, latest pic of the car in its present state...
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5215/5501051020_2ff67d52c8_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5501051020/)
IMG_8646 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5501051020/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
bluevan1
06-03-2011, 11:34
hi looks good they floors compared to some m8.
keep up the good work...
mike77cos
06-03-2011, 17:03
Looks good in there, and now I can see how the pedal panel sits on a manual, thank you ;)
Looking good carl, by the sounds of it you are almost ready to get the grinder out if your getting the welder ready :D
Keep up the good work and the pics coming ;)
Thanks guys. Yeah, gonna start chopping pretty soon.
Mike, pedal panel? I'm assuming you mean the drivers side bulkhead? Here's a couple a bit closer in (showing the rot I need to chop). If anybody needs any detailed pictures while I have everything stripped back just shout up.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5251/5504473052_622bc3ae27_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5504473052/)
IMG_8650 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5504473052/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5055/5503882027_c4bc2a7e5d_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5503882027/)
IMG_8643 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5503882027/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
mike77cos
07-03-2011, 06:55
thank you Carl, its actually the plate just above that the clutch cable runs through, my auto box is starting to get annoying
Right, I'm with you now Mike, bit closer in here...
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5255/5507161995_9d5daa0f0b_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5507161995/)
IMG_8658 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5507161995/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
My word it looks grubby, looks like I've found the next bit to clean off!
mike77cos
08-03-2011, 20:45
Spot on thank you mate
beelzebubs
08-03-2011, 22:28
A lot to be said for chemical cleaning :)
With mine I gotta go assed about face, weld it to make it strong enough to dip, weld again, go back for my free dip, and then decide if i want it dipped in primer.
I commend you and your spatula skills :)
very solid car this :cool:
beelzebubs
10-03-2011, 16:48
are you going to be buying panels or patching?
No probs Mike and thank you Shifty.
Hey Beelz, you made me chuckle when you said there's about a weeks worth of welding. I've thought about it many times....I could just get somebody in and it'll be back on the road in no time....but I simply can't afford bodyshop rates.
I have most of the panels for the passenger side; wing rail, inner sill, outer sill, a-post and bulkhead side. I'm probably going to be cutting these up and using just the bits that I need, I'm not going to chop out a whole section if just a bit of it has gone. Not welded in 25 years though, should make it interesting!
bluevan1
13-03-2011, 23:03
hey m8 am sure u will manage ok with the welding part just take ur time and u will get there.
hey shell looks real good ...
keep the pics comeing.
Dropped onto the second page Carl so thought I would bump it and prompt you to get your camera out again ;)
LOL, thanks Mark. Still scraping and Tcutting back the layers so didn't want to bore people. But since you asked, getting bored of the inside so made a start on the engine bay.
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5260/5557396974_cb413fb292_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5557396974/)
IMG_8694a (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5557396974/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5131/5557397100_1c9b7e9816_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5557397100/)
IMG_8696a (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5557397100/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5148/5557397276_3a807933de_o.jpg (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5557397276/)
IMG_8702a (http://www.flickr.com/photos/carlf18/5557397276/) by carlf18 (http://www.flickr.com/people/carlf18/), on Flickr
mike77cos
25-03-2011, 06:51
Keep up the good work
Noticed you were on line this dinner time Carl and thought you may need a prompt to update the resto with some pics of it in finished colour :wink::laughing3:
dick_dastardly
11-07-2011, 18:08
That's some fair graft you're putting in. Well done
Thanks again Mark. Not quite lost the will to live just yet, but we're getting close! No actual restoration pics just yet, still dragging off the surface crap. I expect to be finished in about a month which, coincidentally, is when some of my finances are freed up. Might be able to buy some gas, a mask, some wire and then finally do something interesting!!! Anyway, some more up to date pics since you asked:
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5150/5778614730_8b293c476f_b_d.jpg
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2683/5813457650_5556bf478e_b_d.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3113/5812889661_eec3dde2d7_b_d.jpg
http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5191/5812889801_c40a1e308d_b_d.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3438/5812889945_e27ae4ea87_b_d.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3340/5812890075_4e33a2279f_b_d.jpg
As I have said before Carl you have a good shell base there the main parts look really good nick ,the panels are the easiest to replace ,keep up the good work and keep the pics coming .
If you want to sell any of your interior to fund the resto call me first :D
Fantastic progress carl :cool::cool:
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