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[/URL]Had a long day on Friday 500 mile trip to HT at Brands hatch
had 3 cups of tea then another 500 mile drive home.
Was worth it though.
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cheeRS Gary...
bloody long way for a cuppa!!! lol
nice power there gary :cool:
Miniliteman
13-03-2010, 19:28
Nice flat torque Gary!
modena green
13-03-2010, 19:28
long drive that boys,nice to get a good result for all your efforts.just watch out you dont suck all that shiney paint off the inner wing into the engine;):)
Nice flat torque Gary!
Cant see it well in the scan but from 5700-8200
it drops just 10 lb ft:D
cheeRS Gary...
long drive that boys,nice to get a good result for all your efforts.just watch out you dont suck all that shiney paint off the inner wing into the engine;):)
Nice new filter to keep the paint out Kev;)
cheeRS Gary...
Frosticles
13-03-2010, 19:35
Great result there Gary. :)
Good stuff , love your car it's the nuts . :cool: How many litres is the engine ? Cheers .
Good stuff , love your car it's the nuts . :cool: How many litres is the engine ? Cheers .
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Dave1800BDA
13-03-2010, 20:12
big hat and jacket........... sorry i couldnt arrange the weather:D,
good results gary, nice one
Ok i've just done some calcs on those figures and it don't add up so somethings wrong with the numbers . :rolleyes:
Either the measured bhp at the wheels is wrong , the estimated flywheel bhp is wrong or both are wrong as the transmision loses are too small for the power level :confused: .
If we use the measured wheel bhp number of 211 to calcualte flywheel bhp then :
211 + 10 divided by 0.88 = 251bhp (not 234)
If we use the estimated flywheel figure of 234 to calculate wheel bhp then :
234 -10 x 0.88 = 197bhp (not 211)
The quoted 10.4% transmission losses (on the dyno chart) are way too small for an engine as powerfull as this and that's why the numbers don't stack up .
Hope that makes sense . It doesn't matter at all , it's just that i'm interested in engines and rolling road numbers so i always check them when i see them (sad git) !!!! :D
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Ok cheers for that , i'll work out the BMEP reading for you . :)
can i do a painting of your car on the rollers ? :D ;)
RS2000CUSTOM
13-03-2010, 20:28
You just need management and throttle bodies to finish the job off :drunken:
With all the big horses motors on here now how about a Rallye Sport Escorts shoot out ?
Hally - Zetec
Frosty - Ex race engine
Cossi Si - Custom built Pinto (thats me Mr Custom - lol)
Gaz W - Ex Harris
RS2000CUSTOM - Self build Pinto
MK1Gaz - Harris
XpackBoy - MKII RS2000 Cosworth
Bob X Pack - Brett - Nasty Cossy
Brett - am sure he will knock up an engine for himself - lol
Am sure there are plenty more on here
Any ideas for a reliable accurate rolling road to use
or how about a visit to a number of rolling roads over a period of time to see how peoples engines progress and perform on different rolling roads
The site will fund a trophy for the most consitent performer and maybe others could put up prizes etc for best improved - biggest blow-up on the day - biggest smile on the day etc etc etc
Just for fun and all that
RS2000CUSTOM
13-03-2010, 20:36
dont forget richyc ;)
Not forgetting anyone but do others think the idea could work ?
BMEP = bhp x 13000 divided by litres x rpm .
234 x 13000 divided by 2.1 x 8107 =
3042000 divided by 17024.7 = 178 psi :)
was only joking about his Torque :D
but how much those portable rollers cost to hire - shootout at the Lakes :eek:
:cool:
There's a rolling road day for old Fords taking place at DS Automotive on their Dyno-Dynamics rolling road in June . I'll post up all the details in a minute and all cars from this site are welcome to attend . Should be a good day out . :)
xpackboy
13-03-2010, 20:41
ar kid count me in:D
RS2000CUSTOM
13-03-2010, 20:41
but how much those portable rollers cost to hire - shootout at the Lakes :eek:
A company local to me has access to one
Also Andy Galagher has one oop Norf in sweaty sock land so maybe he could be persuaded to come along
Then Martin C can come play in his Rofl special :D
i'd wanna see if andyc's could even make it up the ramp - also an exclusion zone of 500 feet in case something falls off :D
:rolleyes:
There's a rolling road day for old Fords taking place at DS Automotive on their Dyno-Dynamics rolling road in June . I'll post up all the details in a minute and all cars from this site are welcome to attend . Should be a good day out . :)
Ok it's on Saturday the 19th of June and RetroFord mag will be comming with the cameras . The Dyno is in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, it is a Dyno Dynamics 4 wheel rolling road and is at DS Automotives (http://www.dsautomotives.co.uk (http://www.dsautomotives.co.uk)) . :)
Ok it's on Saturday the 19th of June and RetroFord mag will be comming with the cameras . The Dyno is in Aylesbury, Buckinghamshire, it is a Dyno Dynamics 4 wheel rolling road and is at DS Automotives (http://www.dsautomotives.co.uk (http://www.dsautomotives.co.uk)) . :)
Arron said on friday that classic ford were having quick pinto shootout
at HT,sure he said it was next week.
I did ask about the % loss.
He said the % stays the same.Its just that the more you have the more you lose.
100 bhp - 300 bhp would lose 3 times as much,the % figure would be the same.
cheeRS Gary...
Dave1800BDA
13-03-2010, 21:01
A company local to me has access to one
Also Andy Galagher has one oop Norf in sweaty sock land so maybe he could be persuaded to come along
Then Martin C can come play in his Rofl special :D
was that the one at crail sp where you said there was no red line....keep revving:D
if so i think he was impressed
RS2000CUSTOM
13-03-2010, 21:03
was that the one at crail sp where you said there was no red line....keep revving:D
if so i think he was impressed
Yeah thats the one
Yes they've got a pinto dyno day at H.T's soon but it's invite only i think and not thrown open to everyone . A couple of my mates are taking their cars down for it .
In regard to your quoted 10.4% transmission loses (22bhp) then that is not enough , the loses on 234bhp would be around 37bhp (197bhp at the wheels) . They may have set up the dyno so that the "coastdown" transmission loses are a bit lower to keep the estimated flywheel numbers a bit more realistic . Don't forget that a rolling road can only measure power/torque at the wheels and the rest is a guess . Hope that makes sense . :)
Yes they've got a pinto dyno day at H.T's soon but it's invite only i think and not thrown open to everyone . A couple of my mates are taking their cars down for it .
In regard to your quoted 10.4% transmission loses (22bhp) then that is not enough , the loses on 234bhp would be around 37bhp (197bhp at the wheels) . They may have set up the dyno so that the "coastdown" transmission loses are a bit lower to keep the estimated flywheel numbers a bit more realistic . Don't forget that a rolling road can only measure power/torque at the wheels and the rest is a guess . Hope that makes sense . :)
Its for sure invite only:cool:
Only one HT pinto on the rollers,should blow the rest away.:D
Arron said on friday that classic ford were having quick pinto shootout
at HT,sure he said it was next week.
I did ask about the % loss.
He said the % stays the same.Its just that the more you have the more you lose.
100 bhp - 300 bhp would lose 3 times as much,the % figure would be the same.
cheeRS Gary...
Did'nt expect to see the scots at HT on friday:eek::eek:
Proper power for sure,will make a very fast escort!!!
See you at the lakes.
Its for sure invite only:cool:
Only one HT pinto on the rollers,should blow the rest away.:DAre you boys taking the yellow beast then or is it a different one ?
Are you boys taking the yellow beast then or is it a different one ?
No mate,no yellow mk2.....
Arron seemed surprised we were'nt going...just not enough power:p:p i guess.
Im deffo up for it dave
Got mine sort of running now , going to take it somewhere local to have it set up , then a trip to HT to have it properly set up .
print out I have here shows 181 bhp on the engine dyno on 50's , Ive gone down to 45's so expecting a bit of a loss there (how much do the experts think?)
Frosticles
13-03-2010, 23:05
Would be up for this as well. My engine came from a starlet grass track car that ran 180 at the wheels. Dunno what carbs it was on but is on 48's now
print out I have here shows 181 bhp on the engine dyno on 50's , Ive gone down to 45's so expecting a bit of a loss there (how much do the experts think?)
Well "peak" bhp numbers will drop maybe 10bhp but bottom end power will go up . Engine dyno numbers will be higher than rolling road numbers as they have an open inlet path to the trumpets (no engine bay/innerwing restrictions etc) , less heat as the engine is in the open and usually the engines on an engine dyno have no alternater fitted and horizontal exhaust manifold primary pipes . :)
No mate,no yellow mk2.....
Arron seemed surprised we were'nt going...just not enough power:p:p i guess.
lol , you should take the yellow one as it's one of the best pintos about and Tony needs another 2.2 to compare his to . :D
lol , you should take the yellow one as it's one of the best pintos about and Tony needs another 2.2 to compare his to . :D
It was invite only mate and Arron don't want it a "HT" pinto shootout:D
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