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Hi folks is it possible to track down where your car was sold from new.
John
download a V888 form from dvla, send it away with a fiver, six weeks later all your cars history plus first tax application with dealer info on it ;)
Dave1800BDA
10-08-2008, 20:46
Hi folks is it possible to track down where your car was sold from new.
John
whats the last two letters from your registration,
Reg is VHR882T Mk2 Mexico .
John
Dave1800BDA
10-08-2008, 20:54
Reg is VHR882T Mk2 Mexico .
John
registered in swindon wiltshire, just need to find the dealership near there
http://bbs.rallyesportescorts.co.uk/showthread.php?t=8215
i know both of mine, i just ask each of there previous owners
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z229/grumh/img090.jpg
On this note, is there any way to find out the original reg of an imported car ? I have all the V5's going back to when the car came into the UK, but I want to find out the original German plate.
Any idea.s ?
M@rk
graham John
11-08-2008, 16:15
think taffr had his from them.........................
http://www.minder.org/images/arthurterry04.gif
cheeRS
Hodgsons of Retford god bless em :D :rolleyes: ;)
Dave1800BDA
11-08-2008, 16:50
WHITES of TAUNTON:cool:
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n7/Dave1800BDA/car07004.jpg
registered in swindon wiltshire, just need to find the dealership near there
http://bbs.rallyesportescorts.co.uk/showthread.php?t=8215
That would be walker jacksons i used to live there then :D
V888 away this morning, thanks guys for all your help:) .
John
think taffr had his from them.........................
http://www.minder.org/images/arthurterry04.gif
cheeRS
you twet!!!!!!!:p
Red one from Bristol Street Motors, Cheltenham
Green one - not sure but think Lindsay Cars, Lisburn (time to send of the V888) :o
CHELT RS
11-08-2008, 18:48
Like Martin's mine came from Bristol Street Motors, Cheltenham
WHITES of TAUNTON:cool:
mine was also, Whites of Taunton :)
Could have been on fourcourt together :D
RS2000EXPRESS
11-08-2008, 19:42
12 months ago by chance, I sent a letter to the first owners address, and "bingo" he still lives there! Amongst interesting bit's of history, I found out that mine had come from "Stormont", Tunbridge Wells.
Blick un from Cordiners, Inverness
Signal Ginger from W Harold Perry's, London
JAVAGREENGUF
11-08-2008, 20:50
WHITES of TAUNTON:cool:
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n7/Dave1800BDA/car07004.jpg
Ditto :D
On this note, is there any way to find out the original reg of an imported car ? I have all the V5's going back to when the car came into the UK, but I want to find out the original German plate.
Any idea.s ?
M@rk
only if you have the first owner's name and address or the Fahrzeugbrief.
As you may or may not know, in Germany every time a car is registered or re-registered (even if the car is "abgemeldet"/SORN i.e. laid up for 6 months) even by the same person, the car gets a new reg no and set of plates.
SB – 952
Saarbrücken – xxx
ex-squaddies car was it?
only if you have the first owner's name and address or the Fahrzeugbrief.
As you may or may not know, in Germany every time a car is registered or re-registered (even if the car is "abgemeldet"/SORN i.e. laid up for 6 months) even by the same person, the car gets a new reg no and set of plates.
SB – 952
Saarbrücken – xxx
ex-squaddies car was it?
Yes it was an Ex-squaddies car, sadly I don't have any names, the only one I have is a Bert Flowers from Kent, he is the one who bought it into the UK, so I am guessing he was the squaddie.
Oh and BTW mine came directly from Zakspeed in Germany :D
county garage carlisle. price paid £5,186.40
Yes it was an Ex-squaddies car, sadly I don't have any names, the only one I have is a Bert Flowers from Kent, he is the one who bought it into the UK, so I am guessing he was the squaddie.
Oh and BTW mine came directly from Zakspeed in Germany :D
may well have been registered AW - xxx then?
You could always ask Zakspeed if they have any record of your VIN and documentation on the sale and reg. no I suppose.
Most obvious is of course chatting to the person that imported it.
I don't know of a service like the one DVLA do, with all the old documents, the changes of plate and owner are documented on the Fahrzeugbrief (V5) here which is only replaced when there is no space left on the document to record and new owner or registration process.
I have tried zakspeed but no reply, even had a couple of german ford peeps (oldtimers) trying to trace the VIN for me but no luck there either.
Also tried looking for Bert flowers but came up a blank there.
are zakspeed still going ? I was told in the 80's they were a new Ford dealer, hence my car was bought by them.. unless it was some sort of demo car, hence the strange non std colour ?
<M>
may well have been registered AW - xxx then?
You could always ask Zakspeed if they have any record of your VIN and documentation on the sale and reg. no I suppose.
Most obvious is of course chatting to the person that imported it.
I don't know of a service like the one DVLA do, with all the old documents, the changes of plate and owner are documented on the Fahrzeugbrief (V5) here which is only replaced when there is no space left on the document to record and new owner or registration process.
The Zakspeed racing team is still going but Peter Zakowski put in for private bankruptcy in 2006, so I assume the car business went breasts up too.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zakspeed
If a car's been exported I assume all records have deleted anyway, the only way to find out then is through finding someone who bought it new or s/hand I suppose.
H & J Quicks Manchester....Anyone one seen a dealer badge for them....
I have the original bill of sale which states that my car was sold from Drysdales Fife Ltd Westfield Garage, Cupar and they're dealer sticker is on my back window but the car was supplied to them from Mogil Motors (Stirling) Ltd, Union Street and Drip Road, Stirlingshire Scotland
whites of taunton for mine also:thumbright:
I have the original bill of sale which states that my car was sold from Drysdales Fife Ltd Westfield Garage, Cupar and they're dealer sticker is on my back window but the car was supplied to them from Mogil Motors (Stirling) Ltd, Union Street and Drip Road, Stirlingshire Scotland
Drysdale's were just retail dealers, bought over by Laidlaw in the early 80's..
Mine came from Thomas Motors Blackpool, alas now occupied by a block of flats:(
pinto48s
15-08-2008, 23:35
Blick un from Cordiners, Inverness
Signal Ginger from W Harold Perry's, London
mines from W Harold perry as well
black x pack
15-08-2008, 23:50
just checked my old rs2 and found it was registered in wakefield.. i bought it from a guy who lived in the Llandudno area ..
aor 263v came from hendy lennox limited in southampton.:D
oldskooljoe
16-08-2008, 10:38
H & J Quicks Manchester....Anyone one seen a dealer badge for them....
Isn't ruddys car from there aswell Andy,he could have a dealer badge:)
Isn't ruddys car from there aswell Andy,he could have a dealer badge:)
Thanks for that....:D
LOl:banghead: I sent the V888 away and got it returned stating Im not shown as the registered owner but that the car was exported during 1991.I bought the car in 91 here in N Ireland so Ive to send proof that Im the registered owner back to DVLA.
John
H & J Quicks Manchester....Anyone one seen a dealer badge for them....
andy jen (jnf 5v) was bought from quicks manchester ive got a sticker in the rear window :cool:
There was a guy who made my dealer sticker up got his details from an old raylle sport mag from RSOC about 18 months ago only cost me a Tenner then :)
his email address was mk1rs2000@blueyonder.co.uk if its any help Andy
Mine came from H Perrys in Finchley its now a Sainsburys shame:crybaby:
the information i sent off for came today apart from one bit ........ the bit i wanted to know and confirm as to which dealer sold the car :(
can this be attained or will i have to phone up and say i want £3.50 of my £5 back please :D
oh well at least got the name of the first owner who lived in Pencoed - had the car 12/6/79 till 19/2/1983
:rolleyes:
Mine's from A Gray & co Guildford :)
Mine T.C Harrison Derbyshire
this is where mine came from
http://www.sthelens.polarford.co.uk/filemanager/root/site_assets/sites/afolder_727542/images/main_detail_images/HUDDUERSIELD-SITE-Image.jpg in Barnsley
Mine's from A Gray & co Guildford :)
used to live near there when i was a wee boy:D
sutty234
07-11-2008, 12:38
OWG so i assume my RS came from t.c.harrison of sheffield.
Dave1800BDA
07-11-2008, 15:05
OWG so i assume my RS came from t.c.harrison of sheffield.
WG = Stirling, Mogil Motors i think
the godfrey motor co cardiff
505 newport road
cardiff
This is the original dealer and the selling dealer
earl of chippenham
****lebury road
chippenham
anyone know where i could get a sticker made up for the rear window
thanks
john
Send a PM to Smudger on here as he does them :)
oldskooljoe
09-11-2008, 11:36
this is where mine came from
http://www.sthelens.polarford.co.uk/filemanager/root/site_assets/sites/afolder_727542/images/main_detail_images/HUDDUERSIELD-SITE-Image.jpg in Barnsley
see my sig:cool:
The selling dealer looks like
Earl or Earll of Chippenham LTd
****lebury Road
Chippenham Tel 3255
I cant seem to find any info on them through google
The Original dealers
The Godfrey Motor Co-Cardiff-LTD
505 Newport Road
Cardiff
CF3 7AD
PS Ive pm Smudger to see if he knows or can help.
Thanks
John
RS2000EXPRESS
09-11-2008, 12:19
The selling dealer looks like
Earl or Earll of Chippenham LTd
****lebury Road
Chippenham Tel 3255
I cant seem to find any info on them through google
The Original dealers
The Godfrey Motor Co-Cardiff-LTD
505 Newport Road
Cardiff
CF3 7AD
PS Ive pm Smudger to see if he knows or can help.
Thanks
John
Can't see them on here either, might not have been RS Dealers!
http://i190.photobucket.com/albums/z229/grumh/img090.jpg
Yes i was checking the chart also but nothing relating to the names I have
If you type in 505 newport road for the Godfrey Motor co
google comes up with
Evans Halshaw Cardiff (Ford)
maybe this is now the new name or maybe Godfrey Motor Co sold the site?
John
RS2000EXPRESS
09-11-2008, 13:04
If you type in 505 newport road for the Godfrey Motor co
google comes up with
Evans Halshaw Cardiff (Ford)
maybe this is now the new name or maybe Godfrey Motor Co sold the site?
John
Maybe it has been bought out. Like so many garages in this area, have been taken over, changed name and moved to new premises. So much has changed in the motor trade over the last 30 years. They have also swaped their franchises to confuse things even further.
Any idea if UBM Motors(Ford) Ltd come into it anywhere, they where the RS Dealers in that area at that time?
Tim.
Any idea if UBM Motors(Ford) Ltd come into it anywhere, they where the RS Dealers in that area at that time?
Tim.
I was wondering that myself Tim but the details I posted are all that I have from the info the DVA returned,I have the 1st owners address but the chances of them still living there could be very slim.
John
reginald tildesley ltd walsall MHA847V now DES85V
my mex came from county garage, carlisle
RS2000EXPRESS
09-11-2008, 13:21
I was wondering that myself Tim but the details I posted are all that I have from the info the DVA returned,I have the 1st owners address but the chances of them still living there could be very slim.
John
Don't you believe it John! I was amazed when I wrote to the first owner of mine about 18 months ago now. I thought the guy would have been getting on a bit or even passed away, but he is still there and was amazed and grateful that I had got in touch. He also wants to come over to see the car some time and bring some old photos of the car with him. To my surprise he was 39 years old, so he was in his early 20's when he bought the car new, lucky guy!
Tim.
Got this from the Series 1 forum looks possibly like Godfreys is the RS dealer that was the original dealer of my motor anyone have a picture of a window sticker?
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/Tommyskeeper/Dealer%20Ads/Dealers.jpg
RS2000EXPRESS
09-11-2008, 22:43
Got this from the Series 1 forum looks possibly like Godfreys is the RS dealer that was the original dealer of my motor anyone have a picture of a window sticker?
http://i287.photobucket.com/albums/ll121/Tommyskeeper/Dealer%20Ads/Dealers.jpg
A good bit of research here John. Interesting to see how the dealers had changed in comparison to the older list. So it looks like UBM Motors were taken over or replaced by Godfreys in Cardiff, so Godfreys would have supplied the car new, and that is probably the way you want to go. Earl of Chippenham Ltd could have bought the car second hand and sold it to a later owner.
Tim.
the 1st sheet that I got from DVA with the 1st owner registration has two boxs on it one box states original dealer which has godfrey motor co cardiff then the second box has the selling dealer earl of Chippenham who may not have been an RS dealer hence why it came through godfreys.
heres the link to alot of other RS adverts and dealers not Mk1 and 2 but still worth a look.
http://www.seriesoneturbo.co.uk/showthread.php?p=41321&highlight=dealer+lists#post41321
so how many others have got their info, but not the dealer supplied information ? :confused:
graham John
09-11-2008, 23:13
Dorset fire brigade
expecting the details from DVLA soon)
cheeRS
daytona_2000
09-11-2008, 23:20
ubm ford winchester for mine
RS2000EXPRESS
09-11-2008, 23:22
the 1st sheet that I got from DVA with the 1st owner registration has two boxs on it one box states original dealer which has godfrey motor co cardiff then the second box has the selling dealer earl of Chippenham who may not have been an RS dealer hence why it came through godfreys.
heres the link to alot of other RS adverts and dealers not Mk1 and 2 but still worth a look.
http://www.seriesoneturbo.co.uk/showthread.php?p=41321&highlight=dealer+lists#post41321
When I bought my first RS in 1979 from City Speed in Gloucester it was only 14 months old and one owner. On the number plates it had "RF Tilley Autos", which suggested they sold the car when new, but as far as I know they were not ever RS Dealers. It had a XPA plate which means a Guildford registration, and could have been supplied firstly by A Gray & Co Ltd located there, so this type of thing went on a bit! I never found out who RF Tilley were!
Tim.
When I bought my first RS in 1979 from City Speed in Gloucester it was only 14 months old and one owner. On the number plates it had "RF Tilley Autos", which suggested they sold the car when new, but as far as I know they were not ever RS Dealers. It had a XPA plate which means a Guildford registration, and could have been supplied firstly by A Gray & Co Ltd located there, so this type of thing went on a bit! I never found out who RF Tilley were!
Tim.
here we go
R F Tilley Ltd. 01483 222835. The Street, West Clandon, Guildford, GU4 7TF ...
RS2000EXPRESS
10-11-2008, 11:36
here we go
R F Tilley Ltd. 01483 222835. The Street, West Clandon, Guildford, GU4 7TF ...
Wow, what a bloke!:eek: I'm amazed Andy, this is a blast from the past!
I realised last night that their name was stamped as suppying dealer on the old service book which I still have.
So who are they? Where they a ford dealer or what sort of dealer where they?:confused:
CheeRS, Tim.
great bits of info coming out on this thread, Ive 10 letters away this morning to previous owners so I'll keep you posted. 1st guy owned the car from 78-83 then there was nearly a new owner every year till I got the car in 1991.it'll be interesting to see what replies I get if any.
John
Got a letter back today with 3 photos from an owner that owned the car from 86-88.:) He blew the original engine up then replaced it with a refurbished 2.0l.Great wee bits of info that piece together pieces of the jigsaw for me.He bought the car in 86 for £1700.The photos he sent have the car on minilites, when I got it, it was on compomotives and had the 2.0 in it.There had also been a rocket box in it:( when he had it.Finishes of with wishes he had kept the car.
PS he got a phonecall from Nothingham Police 1 week after selling it as it had been at the scene of a crime:eek:
John
Well folks got another reply today from the original owner who even sent me the original bill of sale.He bought the car from Earle Of Chippenham LTD a Ford dealer.They are no longer there and the site was cleared for buildings.He traded in a 1975 Hillman Avenger:) .
John
graham John
15-11-2008, 16:00
PS he got a phonecall from Nothingham Police 1 week after selling it as it had been at the scene of a crime:eek:
John
Frosties Dabs were all over it i hear...............:D
cheeRS
the 1st sheet that I got from DVA with the 1st owner registration has two boxs on it one box states original dealer which has godfrey motor co cardiff then the second box has the selling dealer earl of Chippenham who may not have been an RS dealer hence why it came through godfreys.
heres the link to alot of other RS adverts and dealers not Mk1 and 2 but still worth a look.
http://www.seriesoneturbo.co.uk/showthread.php?p=41321&highlight=dealer+lists#post41321
I do not think Earl's were RS dealers. Thet were later taken over by Hewitts. The building has since been demolished and Ford in Chippenham is on the A4 calne side.
RS2000EXPRESS
15-11-2008, 18:08
Got a letter back today with 3 photos from an owner that owned the car from 86-88.:) He blew the original engine up then replaced it with a refurbished 2.0l.Great wee bits of info that piece together pieces of the jigsaw for me.He bought the car in 86 for £1700.The photos he sent have the car on minilites, when I got it, it was on compomotives and had the 2.0 in it.There had also been a rocket box in it:( when he had it.Finishes of with wishes he had kept the car.
PS he got a phonecall from Nothingham Police 1 week after selling it as it had been at the scene of a crime:eek:
John
Well folks got another reply today from the original owner who even sent me the original bill of sale.He bought the car from Earle Of Chippenham LTD a Ford dealer.They are no longer there and the site was cleared for buildings.He traded in a 1975 Hillman Avenger:) .
John
A great result for you John, well worth while!
It's nice when you get these snippets through and start to piece that jig-saw together.:)
Tim.
I'm sure in the rwd Escort period quite a lot of RS cars were sold by ordinary Ford dealers, not RS dealers. What I'm not sure about is whether they all had to come via an RS dealer to the selling dealer ie. whether Ford would ever release RS cars direct to a non-RS Ford dealer. The cases I know of all involved the non-RS Ford dealer sourcing the car from an RS dealer.
Ford was the most protective of any UK manufacturer/importer of its dealers in some respects. It was a major struggle to get Ford to sell large volumes of vehicles direct to even the largest Government departments (other than in wartime). Their first negotiating stance was always to demand they supplied via a dealer. To win tenders they obviously had to give the dealer they nominated in their response extra discount - and large purchasers usually eventually negotiated the dealer out of the link but it was interesting just how hard Ford tried to keep them in it. No other vehicle supplier was like Ford in that respect.
Conversely Ford had a reputation of treating their smaller dealers like sh*t in their normal relationships...
Sent off the V888 for my RS2 a while ago and it came back with all of the history apart from the original owner details, so I rang them up and they sent out the same again. No original owner details, any idea why this might be, someone important or someone dodgy who purchased it new ? :confused:
roddymexico
15-11-2008, 19:06
No, just that someone dodgy has it now.:D :D
RS2000EXPRESS
15-11-2008, 19:07
I'm sure in the rwd Escort period quite a lot of RS cars were sold by ordinary Ford dealers, not RS dealers. What I'm not sure about is whether they all had to come via an RS dealer to the selling dealer ie. whether Ford would ever release RS cars direct to a non-RS Ford dealer. The cases I know of all involved the non-RS Ford dealer sourcing the car from an RS dealer.
Ford was the most protective of any UK manufacturer/importer of its dealers in some respects. It was a major struggle to get Ford to sell large volumes of vehicles direct to even the largest Government departments (other than in wartime). Their first negotiating stance was always to demand they supplied via a dealer. To win tenders they obviously had to give the dealer they nominated in their response extra discount - and large purchasers usually eventually negotiated the dealer out of the link but it was interesting just how hard Ford tried to keep them in it. No other vehicle supplier was like Ford in that respect.
Conversely Ford had a reputation of treating their smaller dealers like sh*t in their normal relationships...
I was selling new cars for a BL Distributor in the 70's and we took delivery of our small dealers cars, and then they would collect them from us.
I would think all new RS cars were delivered to the RS dealers first, then were distributed to the non-RS Dealer as the RS dealers would want to keep in control of the supply, or else they might as well all be RS dealers! I would also agree that the RS dealers were protective, and they I could see them not being all that generous to give away their cherished RS's. They would have a waiting list of customers of their own for a fairly small supply of RS's especially when first released, and would see them as for making good profit for themselves, not having to discount them much. Models of mainstream Fords were not all that freely available then, as I ordered a Venetian Red Escort Popular Plus in 1979, and it took 6 weeks to arrive!
In general many of these small dealers could end up with their distributors choice, being models that no-one else wanted, crap colours, small engine sizes, basic trim models, obselete models etc.
Tim.
I do not think Earl's were RS dealers. Thet were later taken over by Hewitts. The building has since been demolished and Ford in Chippenham is on the A4 calne side.
As has been mentioned in previous posts about Ford dealers and RS dealers my car with brought in by Godfreys of Cardiff ( an RS dealer ) and was sold to the 1st customer through Earle Of chippenham which were a ford dealer and as you rightly mention jimmer no longer there.
mexicostids
18-11-2008, 19:02
my mex came from reeds of paignton mfj900p , think it has stayed in devon & cornwall all its life :)
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