View Full Version : Did Zakspeed ever sell X-pack road cars.. ?
I spoke to one of the previous owners of SKK the other day, and he told me that the original owner was a squadie serving in Germany and he bought the X-pack brand new directly from Zakspeed.
Does anyone know if this was possible ? Also the X-pack was originally Bronze, and I have confirmed this by the original logbook when it came into this country, and the paint under the black currently residing on it.
Anyone help as this may be one rare RS2000 X-pack ? Maybe it was one of there demo cars !
Thanks,
Mark
NO .............. :dunce: ............ just get it finished for ****s sake
seriously tho, have you had any reply back from Zakspeed yet - i know you said youve contacted them
:rolleyes:
seriously tho, have you had any reply back from Zakspeed yet - i know you said youve contacted them
:rolleyes:
I don' know I not been in to work yet as been on training course all week !
More work on it on Saturday :D
I was told that all the x packs were done at the dealer when the cars were ordered,there were 6 LHD models done by ford motor co,ifyou want to know more give graham john a ring he knows whats what with them.
zakspeed is a tuning company - thats it....
Its like ford selling WRC car's
IT DOES HAPPEN LOL
yours may have been a promo car Mark :confused:
i promise to get back to it,,,:o honest, just a wee bit busey at the mo.
Mk2 Xpack arches were colloquially known as "Zakspeed arches" in competition circles at the time. Their width complies with Appendix J Group 2 regulations of the mid 70s. Zakspeed ran what was effectively the works Escort programme in the (Group 2 regs) European Touring Car Championship before being more widely known for Group5 Capris and F1. Whether they were involved in making the arches sold through Ford Rallyesport dealers I know not - and the answer will probably lie in Germany.
dasadrew
26-05-2007, 19:58
Erich Zakowski (Zakspeed) had a regular Ford Dealership (of course an RS Dealership!) in those days if memory serves correctly.
Miniliteman
26-05-2007, 20:10
Similar RS dealerships like Gerstmann in Oberhausen sold new X-packs, to customer-spec (IDF's, big tank, etc.) so if Zakspeed was a similar RS-dealer your car might well be from them.
Similar RS dealerships like Gerstmann in Oberhausen sold new X-packs, to customer-spec (IDF's, big tank, etc.) so if Zakspeed was a similar RS-dealer your car might well be from them.
Sounds quite possible that. Can you shed any light on the Bronze colour ? Was this an option in Germany ? or is it a "spezial" ?
Thanks,
Mark
Miniliteman
28-05-2007, 19:25
Have you got a photo of the car Mark?
Mexicomark
28-05-2007, 20:01
There's some pictures here..... http://www.troll.boltblue.net/xpack/index.htm :cool:
dasadrew
28-05-2007, 20:36
can't get my head around that chassis number... what's it supposed to be? GCATAD? Position is very strange.
NEVER heard of a bronze (or any other metallic) original RS2000 in Germany. I bought my first one in Germany in 1980 so I was pretty much up to date on the avaiable colours then.
Have you had a look at the colour under the headlining?
I can't recall that special one-offs were available in those days either. Special colours for fleet contracts are the only specials I remember.
Good luck on the resto - looks like a few weekends more to go!
Thanks for putting the link up Mark :D
The pic of that chassis number is in the boot... oviously there is the usual one in the engine bay too.
Can anyone do some sort of search through Ford databases from the chassis number ??
Under the headlining is black as is on the chassis number (A9 I think), however there is bronze all over the car including under the front wings where you wouldn't of got unless the wings had been taken off..
Very weird.. maybe it was orig black, and then sprayed Bronze for some sort of promotional use by someone.. maybe Zakspeed... who knows..
Mark
Banishit
29-05-2007, 09:38
you are coming on well with the resto Mark, nice job on the A posts
dasadrew
29-05-2007, 10:14
The pic of that chassis number is in the boot... oviously there is the usual one in the engine bay too.
Can anyone do some sort of search through Ford databases from the chassis number ??
Under the headlining is black as is on the chassis number (A9 I think), however there is bronze all over the car including under the front wings where you wouldn't of got unless the wings had been taken off..
Yeah, the floor I noted was also black and should be body colour.
Post a pic of the VIN Plate. According to a brief check of my info (which I don't claim to be exhaustive), your chassis number doesn't seem to exist !!! AD would mean the car was BUILT after 1980. 6-digit number is also weird.
I don't suppose you have any copies of the original german docs?
your chassis number doesn't seem to exist !!!
:eek: ............ this is a serious case of the X files
Dave1800BDA
29-05-2007, 16:10
Yeah, the floor I noted was also black and should be body colour.
Post a pic of the VIN Plate. According to a brief check of my info (which I don't claim to be exhaustive), your chassis number doesn't seem to exist !!! AD would mean the car was BUILT after 1980. 6-digit number is also weird.
I don't suppose you have any copies of the original german docs?
it does seem odd that, the way fords did there numbers, after the D should be an E in the sequence as there seems to be too many numbers and not enough letters, the 2 definately doesnt look like a E, and as Das says its a 1980 car by the looks
Dave1800BDA
29-05-2007, 19:10
it does seem odd that, the way fords did there numbers, after the D should be an E in the sequence as there seems to be too many numbers and not enough letters, the 2 definately doesnt look like a E, and as Das says its a 1980 car by the looks
thats not right:o had a bit of a brain fade lol
GCATAD is right troll
dasadrew
29-05-2007, 19:20
So what year is "A" ?
'75 = R
'76 = S
'77 = T
'78 = U
'79 = W
'80 = X
'81 = B
'82 = C
or am I wrong?
Dave1800BDA
29-05-2007, 21:07
So what year is "A" ?
'75 = R
'76 = S
'77 = T
'78 = U
'79 = W
'80 = X
'81 = B
'82 = C
or am I wrong?
you were right A = 1980 there was no X the D is JULY
dasadrew
29-05-2007, 21:14
:confused: http://www.redslate.co.uk/upload/pics/Chassis-Plate.jpg
Dave1800BDA
29-05-2007, 21:27
ford book is wrong i think as they were presuming it would be an X as the book was 1979,
A was used.....i could be wrong
RS2000CUSTOM
29-05-2007, 21:38
1980 is A
RS2000CUSTOM
29-05-2007, 21:43
http://www.rallyesportescorts.co.uk/1980a.jpg
Nice to know, so it was made in July 1980. What was the last month of production of the RS2000 in 1980 ??
Dave, next time your down you will have to POP on in and come and have a look at the.. er shell lol
Mark
:confused: http://www.redslate.co.uk/upload/pics/Chassis-Plate.jpg
Dasa don't know where that comes from but A is deffo '80, all genuine Harriers are either WP Dec '79 AB AA Feb '80 for example
BTW as far as I've heard all X-Packs were built up at the dealer's, BTW the "Spezial" is the German X-Pack
There was one metallic bronze Mk2 RS2000 (Automatic!) built by Ford for Henry Ford Jr to drive in the UK - but that car is known/being restored isn't it?
that belongs down south to a dorset member - has been restored a few years ago now
Trolls brown colour is of that same metallic shade though - having seen the car, it IS very weird :confused:
dasadrew
29-05-2007, 23:15
Interesting and weird stuff on the Ford Workshop Manual. So in 1979 they didn't know how they were going to code 1980 builds! Full marks to the sticky VIN decoder which seems more reliable than the Ford manuals!!
However, I don't think AB would have been Feb 80, as the month codes always follow a pattern:
BRAG
JUMP
LYST
CKDE
so Feb '80 must be AR, non?
Interesting and weird stuff on the Ford Workshop Manual. So in 1979 they didn't know how they were going to code 1980 builds! Full marks to the sticky VIN decoder which seems more reliable than the Ford manuals!!
However, I don't think AB would have been Feb 80, as the month codes always follow a pattern:
BRAG
JUMP
LYST
CKDE
so Feb '80 must be AR, non?
Know what you mean, it does indeed follow that pattern, however the little grey pea inside that thing on top of me shoulders knows Harriers, VIN build prefixes WP,AB (from AB on the large chassis plate was used and was always fitted to the O/S/F wing) and AA, and they were built in batches and in consecutive months. I can't remember having ever heard of an AR Harrier.
I had a WP my mate had an AB but don't have anything on hand in black and white to prove my point!!!
oooohh have been having a good old fink about it, and Feb '80 should be AR following the JUMPBRAG pattern. Anyway A=1980, that much is right 4 sure;)
dasadrew
30-05-2007, 05:52
I've forgotten what the question was ........ :D :D
Mexicomark
03-06-2007, 16:52
Just found this :D
http://www.forum-auto.com/uploads/200511/taunustc_1133188463_doc36.jpg
On this forum... http://www.forum-auto.com/automobiles-mythiques-exception/section5/sujet224004-1330.htm
plentysideways
03-06-2007, 18:15
now thats a car to get you noticed on the M5 on a friday afternoon
Mark, what kit is on the car as I think there were two types of front arch to Nosecone fittings, one was a UK kit the other being German.
if the whole nosecone has the X extentions built in its a UK kit (Fibresports kit made for Ford UK), if the extentions are corner units fitted to the production nose cone then this is a german kit.
The X Kit was know in the Ford Lit as Zakspeed Style.
The Morelands Car is a perfect example of a German Car, this is believed to be one of the 6 promo cars. See how the kit fits over the bumper.
Kel,
Mine has the corner bits built into the front arches, so you don't see the seems like you do on the UK cars, so its the same as the Moorlands one basically. Also mine has plastic arch liners built onto all 4 aches.
Do you know what year the Moorlands car is ?
Mark
Mark, give Tony a call. Very helpful guy when it comes to X's, helped me a few times with just information and spec's of parts.
Mark, give Tony a call. Very helpful guy when it comes to X's, helped me a few times with just information and spec's of parts.
Whos Tony Kel ??
Can you PM me his number please ?
ta,
Mark
Still none the wiser, 3 years later lol
Dave1800BDA
20-11-2010, 18:30
old post i know, wonder what Kel is up to nowadays
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