View Full Version : What are your thoughts on re-shelling totalled RS cars then??
I mean if a Mk2 Mex or RS2 gets totally written off in a full body smash then is it a problem to rebuild it using a mint shell that you have laid about??
I went to look at a Roger Clark car in New Zealand and it had been resheeled into a 16 Sport body, and it was still for sale at £60,000.
The rally boys did it all the time, so is it acceptable?
Can anyone guess where this is going??? ;)
CheeRS
I mean if a Mk2 Mex or RS2 gets totally written off in a full body smash then is it a problem to rebuild it using a mint shell that you have laid about??
I went to look at a Roger Clark car in New Zealand and it had been resheeled into a 16 Sport body, and it was still for sale at £60,000.
The rally boys did it all the time, so is it acceptable?
Can anyone guess where this is going??? ;)
CheeRS
Yeah:D
Aaron P.
14-03-2007, 12:10
What have you gone & bought besides the Lancia???? :D
More money, more toys, you win the lotto??? i think it becomes a problem when a car is being sold as the genuine article instead of telling the new owner it was a reshell....i know of a mexico (reshelled into a 1300xl shell i think) that sold recently & the new owner has no idea.....i think thats wrong even if the work is spot on :D
RS2000CUSTOM
14-03-2007, 12:12
A shell is merely a "spare" part - no probs with a re-shell
What the main concern is, is the origin of the replacement shell
If someone uses a stolen shell/car and hides its identity with a total loss vehicle then this is Ringing - :refilao: big no no
Dave1800BDA
14-03-2007, 12:12
alot of the cars dave werent The RS shell anyway and they did use off the peg shells as they were only going to be modified anyway.
Even logged as sports as well
Seriously though, if you've got an original RS shell and the original shell is absolutely ****ed then it's justifiable.
Takes the p.... somewhat of the blokes that restore such shells though, either to keep it original or can't get their hands on or afford a repair shell.
I'd always try to retain the old shell as long as poss, for one thing, if by some freak the old shell gets wound around a lamp post or whatever then you can always use the new shell, once a new shell gets ****ed then that's your lot.
I don't believe in using blingy stuff myself just for the sake of it, especially as much of the old parts can be repaired and brought up to a very good standard anyway.
It's just robbing the market of parts, that others desperately need as their car is missing these parts or just need the odd bit to sort them, especially VGC v low mileage cars, sseems a waste to me to renew stuff that's in fine working order in the first place:confused::confused::confused:
If I wanted to buy a genuine rally car as something for my personal pleasure / collection the car would have to have the original shell, or else "it's not the car that won XXX rally" and Vatanen, Clark or Waldegard didn't drive it etc etc, which surely is the point in buying such a car these days.
Very few would buy such a car to rally it, as there is better technology available these days and usually at more reasonable prices too!;)
I went to look at a Roger Clark car in New Zealand and it had been resheeled into a 16 Sport body, and it was still for sale at £60,000.
Is MTW still for sale then? it's been up for sale for a few years now.
Other than VLE there is unlikely to be a works car left in the word still on it's original shell.
So say for arguments sake, A "friend" of mine happened to own a Mk2 Mexico that was absolutely beyond repair in any shape or form what so ever. Then this same "friend" just happened to have built up a semi Gp4 spec Mk2 shell from a mint Sport. If said "friend" were to register said Sport shell as a Mexico (If he had the tags and V5 that is) for his own personal use with no intention of selling. Then this would be fine??
This "friend" would never do it with the intention of ripping anyone off as the car in question is not for sale and also quite well know anyway. My "friend" just wanted to be incuded in RS shows and felt a bit left out like.
This "friend" also has an envelope with some rusty flakes, dust caps and of course the VIN and Body tags for three Mk2 Rs2000's as well.
But he quites like the idea of naming his car "MEXIGO", and thats not a typo.
So what would you sugest I, err I mean He does in this case??
;)
CheeRS
Is MTW still for sale then? it's been up for sale for a few years now.
Other than VLE there is unlikely to be a works car left in the word still on it's original shell.
Yes it was back in 2005 when I was looking, I had themoney at the time but bottled out of it. WOuld have been atthe expense of buying my house when I came back to the UK. I have some nice pics on my lap top some place, will have to dig them out?
well ford it it all the time, take a 1300 gt shell a few strengthening plates here and there and hey presto type 49.
as dave said if you can prove the shell your using isnt stolen than whats the problem.
theres the old saying , original broom but its had seven handels and 5 heads, some of these cars that get restored now and far from being original i.e with new inner and outer wings, floors, qtrs etc etc.
surely all those people are doing is transferring there id onto a new set of body panels ?
so many people get hung up about it but the mg boys etc have been doing it for years with their heritage shells etc and they still retain the original reg etc ?
So say for arguments sake, A "friend" of mine happened to own a Mk2 Mexico that was absolutely beyond repair in any shape or form what so ever. Then this same "friend" just happened to have built up a semi Gp4 spec Mk2 shell from a mint Sport. If said "friend" were to register said Sport shell as a Mexico (If he had the tags and V5 that is) for his own personal use with no intention of selling. Then this would be fine??
This "friend" would never do it with the intention of ripping anyone off as the car in question is not for sale and also quite well know anyway. My "friend" just wanted to be incuded in RS shows and felt a bit left out like.
This "friend" also has an envelope with some rusty flakes, dust caps and of course the VIN and Body tags for three Mk2 Rs2000's as well.
But he quites like the idea of naming his car "MEXIGO", and thats not a typo.
So what would you sugest I, err I mean He does in this case??
;)
CheeRS
As I say, if the shell's just gone too far no-one's got anything against a re-shell.
It's not even really got anything to do with anyone else. Only if the car is re-sold should the prospective buyer be told that there's been at least one re-shell.
If Gp4 style mods have been done it starts to blur any lines that may be drawn anyway, I'd just get it done if I was you ......errr.. I mean your friend;)
RS2000CUSTOM
14-03-2007, 12:50
But he quites like the idea of naming his car "MEXIGO", and thats not a typo.
I had a "friend" who had a MONTEGO will that do ? :p
Tell you "friend" Just Do It - He wont be the first and he certainly wont be the last !
I have no inlking on this thorny subject whatsoever.
I'll ask the :agimp: and get back to you. Ok? :D
Cheers, I knew, err, he knew you would understand!! AT least this way nothing is hidden I suppose.
I personally own both the Mexico and 16 Sport, with both cars being registered in my name. Along with three RS2000's, but thats another story. SO I am not ripping anyone off nor cheating anyone but myself at the end of the day. I can always swap back??
MEXIGO it is then... :D
Oh yes, most of the slavage did not just get binned. Its all over in Eire and going towards making a tired Mex over there live again. SO not all in vane!
CheeRS
Other than VLE there is unlikely to be a works car left in the word still on it's original shell.
But VLE isn't a 'works' car though is it Tim??? :p
Back on the Kiwi subject, a few interesting cars for sale here:
http://www.rs1800.co.nz/carsforsale.html
Frosticles
14-03-2007, 13:14
Get it done, :D
But VLE isn't a 'works' car though is it Tim??? :p
No, and it's a Ford Popular isn't it?
But VLE isn't a 'works' car though is it Tim??? :p
How true, David Sutton says hasta la vista;)
ian parker
14-03-2007, 13:44
I think that if your honest and your intentions are honest there isn,t a problem. If you try to make something into something it isn,t, thats a problem. I personally would do everything to retain the RS shell. Thats just my opinion Its an RS, because its an RS, if thats makes sense. A 1.6 sport, wasn,t isn,t and wont ever be an RS. I think you know what i,m trying to say.:confused: :( :p
How about an honerary works car.
How about an honerary works car.
I'd have it for 20K:D:D:D
if shell is beyond repair then i don't see a prob with reshelling it and quite often the car will end up better than when new the way i've seen some of the resto's :)
a spare part, get it fitted
a spare part, get it fitted
i'll second that , get it fitted
if shell is beyond repair then i don't see a prob with reshelling it and quite often the car will end up better than when new the way i've seen some of the resto's :)
very true, get it done dave
RS2000&MEXICO
14-03-2007, 22:49
as befor a RS shell is only a base 2 door with some extra bits on it...
it does make them worth more yes but it don't matter nowdays
as a mint mk2 escort 1.1 2 door with some very nice mods
"EG"
2.1
5 speed
slipper
alloy bits
wheels
trim
and all the other bits to make it nice will sell for just as much as a RS will
if somone does one for there own car then all well and good
but if you do one for a resale and don't tell anyone then that is wrong
i was going to build one befor but didn't in the end cos it's not a genuine shell
and taking your car to the shows nowdays will just get taken apart from ppl that don't like the idea
for e it don't matter if it's a 1.1 4 door or a 1.6 ghia 2 door or a RS1800
they are all mk2 escorts and need to be loved by the owners
yes i do have genuine RS escort only cos i want to show them at the RS shows across the uk
and don't want a black eye every time i take it to a show
as befor on this BB we have spoken about reshells and there is nothing wrong with it aslong as it's safe after the work has been done
no police of the dvla can do anything about it
as it's been done for years now
just let ppl do what they need to do and don't pic holes in there work
i asked a Q about a RS1800 reshell....i don't bother me it's been a reshell
thats why i was asking about it
there are alot of ppl out there that have a suspect mind's
if you don't own the car then it's nothing to do with you !
just let them bee and enjoy your own car....
Two things here, firstly the RS is a variant of the STD car, it is relatively straightforward to fit the reinforcement panels, not so easy is the gearstick hole.
A proper RS drives differently to a STD car and was as a new car much more expensive, and until recently commanded far more money as one a more desirable car and they were actually "worth" more
The price differential has now closed thanks to the Bay driving the price of STD models sky high.
My motivation for buying an RS wouldn't have anything to do with others picking fault with my car (esp. if it's not an RS) I just prefer an RS, it's just a nice motor, and with a few minor mods can be made even better.
It takes a lot more time and effort to convert a STD model into something really spesh
RS2000&MEXICO
14-03-2007, 23:09
it may take more time but ppl are still doing a standard 2 door as there are lots of mint 2 doors out there still and none rs2000 or mexico's thats why ppl still do them
as for the driving of the rs car to a standard car
i have had both and loads of them i have also fitted in the past a full RS kit to a mk2 and if it's done right you will never know what was what
The shell will have all of the extra streghening plates fitted along with many of additional ones that were not even fitted to an RS shell. Its also 4 linked so rear spring hangers gone, large diff tunnel fitted so brakets all gone, large gearbox tunnel so completely different stick hole, also an early shell so no hole in passenger dash panel.
Th trim in the car is all gone as its carbon fibre an aluminium throughout, there are bucket seats fitted and harnesses also.
Brakes, suspension and wheels are all uprated with Gp4 hubs added also.
Prop is a Slipper Atlas with again discs fitted.
Only big difference is going to be the colour as its had a repaint into my fave shade. But this is being changed and registered via the DVLA on the V5 to keep it right.
Basically I have built up an RS spec shell and then modified it even further for the better, then keeping a Mex alive by not just scrapping all evidence of it having even been alive at all.
LOng live the Escorts and all who drive in them! ;)
CheeRS
reshelled 2 mexicos and a sport this way, never had a problem. as custom points out, as long as the shell is legite then go ahead.
lots of 'standard' rs's are not wot they seem!
Sweet, its done! Subject closed... for now!! ;)
annibendod
29-06-2007, 16:44
I haven't looked at the AVO site for a long time, but I came across this thread today which may be of interest and provide food for thought (or throw petrol onto the fire?)
http://www.avoclub.com/avosite/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=454
(You'll have to be registered to read it)
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